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arista 28-09-2024 06:02 PM

Labour's Rosie Duffield MP has Resigned
 
Over the Winter Fuel Allowance
and Starmers Sleeze.



[Canterbury MP Rosie Duffield
has resigned from the Labour Party.

The 53-year-old MP is the first to
jump ship since the general election
and in her resignation letter criticised
the prime minister for accepting thousands
of pounds worth of gifts.

She told Sir Keir Starmer the reason for
leaving now is "the programme of policies
you seem determined to stick to",
despite their unpopularity with the
electorate and MPs.

In her letter she accused the
prime minister and his top team of "sleaze,
nepotism and apparent avarice"
which are "off the scale".

"I'm so ashamed of what you and
your inner circle have done to tarnish
and humiliate our once proud party," she said.]


https://news.sky.com/story/rosie-duf...ur-mp-13224014

Cherie 28-09-2024 06:04 PM

Excruciating letter, but correct in every way....

joeysteele 28-09-2024 06:05 PM

I do agree with her in part.

However this is not really a surprise.
I was quite surprised she even stood again in this election.

I agree with her on the winter fuel payment definitely.
However this doesn't surprise me at all.
I'm not sure she'll be the only one either actually.

I'm kind of annoyed since I spent time canvassing for her.
You should make an effort to stay and fight from within not march off in a huff at a first hurdle.

The Slim Reaper 28-09-2024 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11512307)
I do agree with her in part.

However this is not really a surprise.
I was quite surprised she even stood again in this election.

I agree with her on the winter fuel payment definitely.
However this doesn't surprise me at all.
I'm not sure she'll be the only one either actually.

It's just a shame that no one could have predicted that labour would embrace further austerity. Damn, if only there had been some kind of inkling.


I accept your apology, joey.

The Slim Reaper 28-09-2024 06:12 PM

Now there's no one left in labour who can say what a woman is. Damn.

Cherie 28-09-2024 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11512307)
I do agree with her in part.

However this is not really a surprise.
I was quite surprised she even stood again in this election.

I agree with her on the winter fuel payment definitely.
However this doesn't surprise me at all.
I'm not sure she'll be the only one either actually.

I'm kind of annoyed since I spent time canvassing for her.
You should make an effort to stay and fight from within not march off in a huff.

Tbf to her if you really cant stomach being associated with the policies they have rolled out so far, and the Whip removed for not voting in the way Starmer wants you to I dont really blame her, they never got on at any rate

joeysteele 28-09-2024 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11512315)
It's just a shame that no one could have predicted that labour would embrace further austerity. Damn, if only there had been some kind of inkling.


I accept your apology, joey.

...er, I haven't apologised and have no intention of doing so.
I've NOTHING to apologise for.

smudgie 28-09-2024 06:17 PM

Respect for Rosie.
Shame some of the others can’t get their heads out of their backsides and stand up for the people of this country

The Slim Reaper 28-09-2024 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11512319)
...er, I haven't apologised and have no intention of doing so.
I've NOTHING to apologise for.

How about for getting continually sh1tty every time I told you exactly what Starmer was going to do?

Crimson Dynamo 28-09-2024 06:20 PM

Is she the one Stamer threw under a bus so he could appease a tiny minority of women hating male "trans extremists"?

joeysteele 28-09-2024 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11512318)
Tbf to her if you really cant stomach being associated with the policies they have rolled out so far, and the Whip removed for not voting in the way Starmer wants you to I dont really blame her, they never got on at any rate

Your last line is correct.
It's why I was surprised she stood again.

However she agrees with everything except the Winter fuel payment and universal credit 2 child cap.

I don't like Starmer at all, never have.
I'm not that keen on Reeves, she isn't listening.
However you don't change anything running away.

Although we activists help get her a good increased majority in Canterbury, so she, AFTER getting that, now stays in place for 5 years on full MP salary and can now vote how she likes.

Cherie 28-09-2024 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo (Post 11512328)
Is she the one Stamer threw under a bus so he could appease a tiny minority of women hating male "trans extremists"?

yep, couldn't attend conference last year due to death threats... but thats fine I guess ...she is just a mere woman after all, not someone who feels like a woman

joeysteele 28-09-2024 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11512327)
How about for getting continually sh1tty every time I told you exactly what Starmer was going to do?

Why should I when I don't agree with you.

The Slim Reaper 28-09-2024 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11512335)
Why should I when I don't agree with you.

I don't know about should, but I thought you might want to, with a touch of humility and sincerity? No?

Black Dagger 28-09-2024 07:45 PM

Oh no… what will they do without her exuberant personality and kind politics… she will be really missed…

Liam- 28-09-2024 07:47 PM

One less transphobe in the party, she’ll be welcomed into reform where she belongs, Starmer deserves it after repeatedly backing her in the face of her bigotry

Kate! 28-09-2024 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11512302)
Over the Winter Fuel Allowance
and Starmers Sleeze.



[Canterbury MP Rosie Duffield
has resigned from the Labour Party.

The 53-year-old MP is the first to
jump ship since the general election
and in her resignation letter criticised
the prime minister for accepting thousands
of pounds worth of gifts.

She told Sir Keir Starmer the reason for
leaving now is "the programme of policies
you seem determined to stick to",
despite their unpopularity with the
electorate and MPs.

In her letter she accused the
prime minister and his top team of "sleaze,
nepotism and apparent avarice"
which are "off the scale".

"I'm so ashamed of what you and
your inner circle have done to tarnish
and humiliate our once proud party," she said.]


https://news.sky.com/story/rosie-duf...ur-mp-13224014

Starmer deserves every word she wrote and more.

arista 28-09-2024 08:24 PM

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MTVN 28-09-2024 08:59 PM

Man that's a powerful letter and surely very hard for anyone to disagree with any of it

Liam- 28-09-2024 09:01 PM

She felt so strongly against taking away wfp’s from those that don’t need it, she… abstained from the vote, she’s waiting for the perfect opportunity to stick the knife into Starmer

joeysteele 28-09-2024 09:21 PM

She actually wasn't very appreciative when helping her in the Canterbury seat.
I actually think she was going to do this anyhow once all we activists had worked our backsides off helping get her re-elected.

If she's so hung up as to hypocrisy, why not test her own views with the constituents and see if they agree with her by creating a by-election.

If she still won, then that would send a far stronger, of thousands in fact, message to Starmer.

I wonder if she will, or just sit there comfortable now for 5 years taking her MPs salary.
I'm pretty sure it will be the latter.
Despite her so called strong level of feelings she states as to hypocrisy.

Cherie 28-09-2024 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11512437)
Man that's a powerful letter and surely very hard for anyone to disagree with any of it

Well.....

joeysteele 28-09-2024 09:28 PM

Why hasn't she criticised Rachel Reeves too then.
She took clothing too and the winter fuel cut is actually Reeves more insistence as a policy to be done .

AnnieK 28-09-2024 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11512437)
Man that's a powerful letter and surely very hard for anyone to disagree with any of it

Indeed

arista 28-09-2024 09:48 PM

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Gusto Brunt 29-09-2024 01:00 AM

This new Labour government has been an utter shambles.

Starmer is a horrible soulless person who doesn't deserve to run a bath never mind the country.

Well done, Rosie. Let's hope more Labour politicians show guts and step down or at least speak out.

bots 29-09-2024 04:17 AM

What you will see is labour doubling down on it all, it's the way modern politics is going these days. My way or the highway. We are kidding ourselves if we think any of the other parties are any different

Cherie 29-09-2024 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11512438)
She felt so strongly against taking away wfp’s from those that don’t need it, she… abstained from the vote, she’s waiting for the perfect opportunity to stick the knife into Starmer

who can blame her, he didnt assist when she was being threatened by men who use any opportunity to harrass women

joeysteele 29-09-2024 08:11 AM

She's pathetic and frankly has been so from becoming an MP in 2017.

Awful as to the threats she's has had and it has been really extremely bad against her too those threats.

However she stood to the voters, used the Labour human bodies machinery of workers to get herself re- elected
Knowing who the leader was and who the Cabinet would be

Her views now are no different to how she's been since Starmer became leader
She's using the winter fuel issue on this yet no attack on Reeves whose policy that really is
The Chancellor is the decider of budget policies.

So she has no moral ground on hypocrisy being so herself.
She in light of all that presented herself as a Labour candidate.

Immaterial of Parties, I've moaned at MPs leaving all Parties.
If I had my way, her and MPs in any Party who leave the Party they were elected for.
I'd either make it they MUST fight a by election as an Independent.
Or remain an MP with a reduction in wages and only travelling expenses given.

She was unpleasant to party workers helping her in the Canterbury seat during the election.
Unappreciative and frankly I think she has intended to do this anyhow.
Deceiving the Party, those activists working their backsides off for her and the voters too.

She's right about hypocrisy re Starmer and others however she's quite the expert it seems on hypocrisy herself.
Frankly why she EVER stood again in the election under Starmer's leadership is totally mystifying.

Will she resign and stand as an Independent.
No of course not, she's had the Party machine get her elected again, she's comfortable for up to 5 years on full MPs salary.
Plus she can now attend parliament and vote as and how she likes
Certainly knows how to feather her own nest too then.
By using others.
Hypocrisy, oh yeah, she should know about that definitely being a pretty big hypocrite herself.

I

arista 29-09-2024 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11512557)
who can blame her, he didnt assist when she was being threatened by men who use any opportunity to harrass women



Yes Many Labour Male MP's
bullied her.

They even went onto the Conservative seats
telling her to cross over

It was on Politics Live BBC2HD , back then



One of those Bully male MPs lost his seat
(Lloyd Russell-Moyle)

Cherie 29-09-2024 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11512582)
She's pathetic and frankly has been so from becoming an MP in 2017.

Awful as to the threats she's has had and it has been really extremely bad against her too those threats.

However she stood to the voters, used the Labour human bodies machinery of workers to get herself re- elected
Knowing who the leader was and who the Cabinet would be

Her views now are no different to how she's been since Starmer became leader
She's using the winter fuel issue on this yet no attack on Reeves whose policy that really is
The Chancellor is the decider of budget policies.

So she has no moral ground on hypocrisy being so herself.
She in light of all that presented herself as a Labour candidate.

Immaterial of Parties, I've moaned at MPs leaving all Parties.
If I had my way, her and MPs in any Party who leave the Party they were elected for.
I'd either make it they MUST fight a by election as an Independent.
Or remain an MP with a reduction in wages and only travelling expenses given.

She was unpleasant to party workers helping her in the Canterbury seat during the election.
Unappreciative and frankly I think she has intended to do this anyhow.
Deceiving the Party, those activists working their backsides off for her and the voters too.

She's right about hypocrisy re Starmer and others however she's quite the expert it seems on hypocrisy herself.
Frankly why she EVER stood again in the election under Starmer's leadership is totally mystifying.

Will she resign and stand as an Independent.
No of course not, she's had the Party machine get her elected again, she's comfortable for up to 5 years on full MPs salary.
Plus she can now attend parliament and vote as and how she likes
Certainly knows how to feather her own nest too then.
By using others.
Hypocrisy, oh yeah, she should know about that definitely being a pretty big hypocrite herself.

I

That is certainly a way of looking at it as well Joey, though if Starmer had not backed the two child cap and winter fuel and taken all the freebies do you think she would still be a Labour MP? Its difficult to know if this was the last straw or it is outlined as you say above.... Reeves could not implement any of these policies without Starmer okaying it so he is responsible as PM I think anyway

joeysteele 29-09-2024 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11512585)
That is certainly a way of looking at it as well Joey, though if Starmer had not backed the two child cap and winter fuel and taken all the freebies do you think she would still be a Labour MP? Its difficult to know if this was the last straw or it is outlined as you say above.... Reeves could not implement any of these policies without Starmer okaying it so he is responsible as PM I think anyway

No I do not believe she ever intended to remain a Labour MP.

I helped in many constituencies during the election.
Exhausted myself too.
In hers, she was the most unpleasant, most unappreciative candidate I personally encountered.

I think she was always going to get at Starmer.
With good reason over her previous years as an MP.
However why stand again under a leader you detest.
She did.

She knew she wouldn't have won that seat without party workers helping her and the Labour machine behind her too.
No I think the winter fuel issue is something she's USING as a cover to what she ALWAYS has intent to do, IF and when with the Party's work for her, she was elected again.

The majority of Labour even Unions are against the winter fuel cut,
I myself and the majority are furious with Starmer too on the freebies.
There's nothing wrong or illegal about them.
However it is hypocritical have accepted them when criticising others
My goodness I cannot bear Starmer but you work for change from within.
That's what I and others will keep trying to achieve.

Only 3 months in, to resign now from the Party isn't a quick decision by her in my view
She has I really think planned this for after the election once parliament was back.
Whether they'd done the winter fuel issue or not.
No, I don't think she intended to remain a Labour MP under Starmer.

The 2 child benefit cap, Labour said all through the election campaign they were NOT going to end that.
She canvassed on that in her seat.
It's just another excuse to vent her spleen against Starmer now
Not a real principle of hers I would say myself.

She really does attract negativity and has all her time as an MP.
I think I can possibly now see why.

Cherie 29-09-2024 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11512592)
No I do not believe she ever intended to remain a Labour MP.

I helped in many constituencies during the election.
Exhausted myself too.
In hers, she was the most unpleasant, most unappreciative candidate I personally encountered.

I think she was always going to get at Starmer.
With good reason over her previous years as an MP.
However why stand again under a leader you detest.
She did.

She knew she wouldn't have won that seat without party workers helping her and the Labour machine behind her too.
No I think the winter fuel issue is something she's USING as a cover to what she ALWAYS has intent to do, IF and when with the Party's work for her, she was elected again.

The majority of Labour even Unions are against the winter fuel cut,
I myself and the majority are furious with Starmer too on the freebies.
There's nothing wrong or illegal about them.
However it is hypocritical have accepted them when criticising others
My goodness I cannot bear Starmer but you work for change from within.
That's what I and others will keep trying to achieve.

Only 3 months in, to resign now from the Party isn't a quick decision by her in my view
She has I really think planned this for after the election once parliament was back.
Whether they'd done the winter fuel issue or not.
No, I don't think she intended to remain a Labour MP under Starmer.

The 2 child benefit cap, Labour said all through the election campaign they were NOT going to end that.
She canvassed on that in her seat.
It's just another excuse to vent her spleen against Starmer now
Not a real principle of hers I would say myself.

She really does attract negativity and has all her time as an MP.
I think I can possibly now see why.

Good point Joey and food for thought for sure

Oliver_W 29-09-2024 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11512460)

Debbie :love:

arista 29-09-2024 12:59 PM

Many Locals want a By Election


Ref: LBC

joeysteele 29-09-2024 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11512651)
Many Locals want a By Election


Ref: LBC

They should be granted it too.

Most there will know how she is, no way though would she have won without the Labour ticket.
She should be made to fight it as an Independent definitely.

IF she's so sure she is right and that the constituents of that seat think she's right too.
Or is the MP salary the only real thing important to her.

UserSince2005 29-09-2024 02:07 PM

she seems like a little trouble causer, but then what labourite isnt? all as bad as each other.

The Slim Reaper 29-09-2024 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11512662)
They should be granted it too.

Most there will know how she is, no way though would she have won without the Labour ticket.
She should be made to fight it as an Independent definitely.

IF she's so sure she is right and that the constituents of that seat think she's right too.
Or is the MP salary the only real thing important to her.

I'm no fan of Duffield. She has been pandered to way too much for way too long, and lied about the previous leader, but having more ire reserved for her than the actual policies seems a little off to me. Do you think she raises good points, or are you ok with holding your nose because we got the tories out...to be replaced with more tories?

Is mealy mouthed opposition to heinous policies, good enough for anyone claiming to have a moral compass within the party?

Crimson Dynamo 01-10-2024 01:53 PM

JK Rowling is right: these trans fanatics are an embarrassment to Labour
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/...eg?imwidth=400

In her letter of resignation, Rosie Duffield, the newly independent MP for Canterbury, claimed that many on the Labour benches share her disgust with Sir Keir Starmer. Some, however, appear to be rather more disgusted with her. Take this haughty denunciation from the 28-year-old MP for Nottingham East, Nadia Whittome.

“Rosie Duffield,” she tweeted, after news of the resignation had broken, “has made a political career out of dehumanising one of the most marginalised groups in society.”

Ms Whittome was referring to people who identify as transgender. In reality, though, Ms Duffield has never “dehumanised” them – all she’s done is to defend women’s rights to female-only hospital wards and changing rooms. Among the many people who kindly tried to help Ms Whittome grasp this simple point was JK Rowling, who told her: “Rosie Duffield was one of the few female Labour politicians with the guts to stand up for vulnerable women and girls, while self-satisfied numbskulls like you fought to give away their rights and spaces.”

What particularly interests me about Ms Whittome’s rebuke of her ex-colleague, however, is her use of the word “marginalised”. Is this really an accurate description, in an age when the LGBTQIA+ flag is ostentatiously flown by every major corporation (in their Western markets, anyway)? Can Ms Whittome name any celebrities who have been cancelled for promoting

gender ideology? Does she know of any women who have been fired from their jobs for tweeting, “Trans women are women”?

Frankly, if anybody has been marginalised, it’s Rosie Duffield. For the past five years in the Commons, she has been given the full Mean Girls treatment: ostracised by the cool kids for having views they deem frightfully unfashionable, while others stayed silent out of a cowardly fear that they too would be ostracised for defending her. And what made this ostracism all the more pathetic was that the overgrown adolescents behind it were her own so-called colleagues.

The Labour party would be much better off with more Duffields, and fewer Whittomes. Plainly, however, its leader can’t see this. Despite his fabulously expensive spectacles, Sir Keir remains hopelessly myopic.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ssment-labour/

arista 09-10-2024 12:30 AM

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