Labour Welfare Vote on 7PM Tuesday 1st July 2025 (U-Turn 3)
 

BBC Reporter
on Politics Live, it was said Labour Party
will lose that Vote

So many Labour MP's
Libs Dems are now going to Vote against the Welfare Bill.

If Starmer loses this battle, he will most likely face a leadership challenge. Hopefully lab members don't follow up the KS mistake with the ghoulish Streeting, Kendall, Reeves, or Rayner.

Time for a traditional labour approach.

The entire front bench needs to be swept away tbh.

As long as there's no reduction of the MPs looking to take a stand against this bill, then it's unlikely to go ahead to a vote.
Immaterial of what is still being said at present.

The weekend will be the crucial time for really analysing the strength of feeling against it.
I do hope the MPs Iining up against stand firm.
This bill needs an awful lot of more thought and consultation.

Valid Point Slim

They are spending alot of money on support back into work according to Raynor today, but is there any detail at all what this support is that she keeps wanging on about, its sounds great, disabled people will be supported back into work...but how exactly?

They know the only way out of the hole we are currently in is to have economic growth, but none of their policies so far will increase growth at all. Cutting benefits doesn't create growth. You can't force people to work that aren't capable of working

What annoys me so much about this is we have 1,000s of able bodied men who are a statistic in the welfare budget but never mentioned, who could be processed and given the opportunity to work or send them back so they are no longer a drain on the system, but instead lets target disabled people instead of pumping money into processing asylum seekers, the longest asylum process in Europe....mmm wonder why that is...something to do with hoteliers and donors

Yes, terrible stink................

Someone who can not wash below
should lose their PIP payment.

On Tuesday, they will.


That was pointed out early debate on GMBHD itv

Live Debate on Radio 5



PM Starmer now Live
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD via separate app

talking about new trade deals

not dealing with Tuesday's vote at all

PM Starmer now Live
talking to a BBC reporter
Live at the British Chamber of Commerce

Only on BBCnewsHD

I just hope the Labour MPs who are currently stating they are against some parts of this bill.
Will keep standing firm on that.
If there really is more than a hundred of them, there's no way the PM via the whips can suspend them all from the Party.
That would look incredibly pathetic.

For me, it's really the PIP changes and the points needed to get it changed that I don't like.
That would be the part I could not support.
I recall Ms Reeves screaming, when she was the shadow DWP secretary in Miliband's time as leader, against the Coalition's cruel changes to the criteria needed to claim DLA as it was then.

However too, there's much I like about this bill.
I like the thinking of helping people into work WHO want to be and more to the point FEEL that can.
I like the removal of the often degrading face to face assessments of those with terminal, and other serious health or disability issues.

I like too, the plan that the benefits claimed that are in place for claimants.
Who then find a workplace and go into work.
That those benefits are kept as held in place, until it's seen if the working environment works for both the worker and organisation they go to work in, is sustainable.
Whereby if it doesn't work out, that individual doesn't need to go through the inconvenience of having to claim those benefits again.
They will be just re-iinstated as they were in place before.

Those changes I could fully support
It's really just the PIP plans I don't like at all.

As this bill stands however as it is, then it shouldn't be voted through.
Although it would not surprise me if the Conservatives actually by even just abstaining maybe helped it pass.
That's IF come Tuesday it actually is put forward in it's full present composition.

Knowing starmer, it will probably be ramps, more ramps.

PM Starmer is now changing his Bill
to keep the rebels happy.

Good to hear.
I'll welcome any so called U turns as long as they are correcting wrongs.
More listening in the first place would have been more advisable.

If the changes are enough then congratulations to the decent numbers fighting for whatever changes are being made to this bill.
To term them rebels is utterly ridiculous.

He's more interested in the jetsetting and international affairs than he is running the country.

It will be a two tier system from two tier Keir, anyone who applies now will be subject to different rules, God help anyone who gets disabled now, and when they talk about the social welfare bill will double in 10 years no one asks how much of this is due to 500 plus people arriving every week on boats, there aren't 500 people becoming disabled or being born disabled every week I would wager

Sky News Text:
[The prime minister's concessions
Welfare reforms have created a
£4.25bn hole in his budget.

It says the decision to row back on cuts
to disability benefits raises the likelihood
of tax rises in the future.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/l...6f2aa508c4.png

Thank goodness we're pissing away billions to Mauritius in exchange for ... giving them the Chagos Islands and Diego Garcia for free.

Never mind tax rises, which will only be pointlessly spuffed up the wall anyway, why don't they look at where the money is going? Take the "DOGE" approach.

i do like the way uk democracy works. Even when a party wins with a landslide , the majority party becomes its own opposition. It's not a one off either, it's happened before. It just shows how british politics is different from anywhere else

Although I'm still in favour of PR for elections.

You are spot on in what you say above bots.
It's actually good to see happen to as well especially on these issues that have brought about this unrest from the backbenchers.

Ian Dale speaking on Trevor Phillips
said it is not going to be fair
in that : any in the reassessment will be put
onto the New System.

Which will affect some, who still can not work
but are stuck in a reassessment

Starmer’s welfare cuts could leave thousands of disabled women trapped with abusers, campaigners warn…



Thousands of disabled women could find themselves trapped with abusers as a result of the government’s upcoming welfare cuts, campaigners have warned, despite Sir Keir Starmer offering significant concessions on the reforms late on Thursday.

In the face of a growing rebellion, the prime minister announced adjustments to his welfare bill, including protecting personal independence payments (PIP) for all existing claimants – a move that is expected to ensure the legislation passes its second reading on Tuesday.

But domestic violence charity Refuge and the Women’s Budget Group (WBG) have issued a stark warning over the reforms, saying that in the long term, the cuts to vital funding for daily living costs for disabled people – which will impact all new claimants – will make it difficult for those at risk to flee abusive relationships.

Even with the concessions, the welfare cuts will be “devastating for disabled women”, WBG said, noting that disabled women are twice as likely to be victims of domestic abuse.

For many, PIP is the only income they receive, WBG warned, so not having access to this source of individual support elevates the risk of coercive control and makes it harder to escape abusive situations.

…full article….

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2777621.html

They got to give the money to healthy young men who have no right to be in the country
And send hundreds of millions to Ukraine to fight their war

The real enemy is our own poxy government

Yes, that's a mess PM Starmer,
can not change

PM Starmer has admitted
One speech he never read it, first.
possibly due to the Fire attack at his former home
at that time.


The phrase "An Island of Strangers"

was in that.



Ref: Panel debate on Trevor Phillips, SkyNewsHD today

Keir Starmer has said he did not get a grip on the Labour rebellion over disability benefits earlier because he was focused on foreign affairs.…


…Keir not so two tier then if he’s only able to focus on one crisis at a time…one tier, oh dear Keir….