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Jack 31-08-2007 01:22 PM

Princess Diana - 10 Years Today
 
I'm just making a thread to remember and commemorate Princess Diana, who tragically died 10 years today.

She was a wonderful person who touched the lives of many. It is so sad that her life was taken from her so tragically.

Lauren 31-08-2007 01:35 PM

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.


Good to see William and Harry coping well considering the circumstances.

Z 31-08-2007 03:55 PM

Not to detract from the sadness of her death, but I honestly don't care, I didn't feel sad when she died, and I still don't feel sad that she's dead. I appreciate that she did a lot of charity work, but a lot of other people have done charity work, and many of them have done a lot greater things than she ever did. I'm sure she was a good person, but I think it's ridiculous that the headlines of the news are about a woman who died 10 years ago, in a car crash. :|

Lauren 31-08-2007 03:57 PM

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Not to detract from the sadness of her death, but I honestly don't care, I didn't feel sad when she died, and I still don't feel sad that she's dead. I appreciate that she did a lot of charity work, but a lot of other people have done charity work, and many of them have done a lot greater things than she ever did. I'm sure she was a good person, but I think it's ridiculous that the headlines of the news are about a woman who died 10 years ago, in a car crash. :|
A woman who saved thousands of lives through introducing the first AIDs clinic into the UK. A woman who managed to stop the use of mines in warfare thus saving even more innocent civilian lives. A woman whom we watched break down and tear apart yet still managing to make a difference for other people. A mother, a daughter, a sister and a wife.

I'm pretty sure that the royal family share your sentiments about it being on the news. I'm also pretty sure it's been a horrible 10 years for Will + Harry to see their mother constantly being spoke about. They can't help that the public WANT to see it on the media, that why it's there.

I'm not a fan of the royal family either.

Billy 31-08-2007 03:59 PM

I agree Z, there are other people who do great things, IE Teachers, Nurses, Doctors, Firemen, but they dont get all this, even though Diana was a great person, its time to move on

Z 31-08-2007 03:59 PM

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Not to detract from the sadness of her death, but I honestly don't care, I didn't feel sad when she died, and I still don't feel sad that she's dead. I appreciate that she did a lot of charity work, but a lot of other people have done charity work, and many of them have done a lot greater things than she ever did. I'm sure she was a good person, but I think it's ridiculous that the headlines of the news are about a woman who died 10 years ago, in a car crash. :|
A woman who saved thousands of lives through introducing the first AIDs clinic into the UK. A woman whom we watched break down and tear apart yet still managing to make a difference for other people. A mother, a daughter, a sister and a wife.

I'm not a fan of the royal family either.

She introduced the first AIDs clinic into the UK, that's admirable, and like I said, I can appreciate what she did, but I've never felt sad about her death, and it's annoying, personally, to be met with "10 years today" everywhere I go, and I imagine there'll be articles about her for the next week or so as well.

Jackie 31-08-2007 04:00 PM

Its so sad though because she was still quite young.

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:00 PM

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I agree Z, there are other people who do great things, IE Teachers, Nurses, Doctors, Firemen, but they dont get all this, even though Diana was a great person, its time to move on
Like I said before, Diana wouldn't want the media attention! Thats the media and popular demands fault.
Why should we detract from the fact that she was a caring, loving mother and charity worker just cos people are sick of the medias coverage of it?

Billy 31-08-2007 04:01 PM

Im not saying it was Dianas fault, Im just saying its time for everyone to move on.

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:02 PM

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Im not saying it was Dianas fault, Im just saying its time for everyone to move on.
Everyone has moved on.
This is a celebration of her life, not a mourning of her death.

Z 31-08-2007 04:03 PM

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I agree Z, there are other people who do great things, IE Teachers, Nurses, Doctors, Firemen, but they dont get all this, even though Diana was a great person, its time to move on
Like I said before, Diana wouldn't want the media attention! Thats the media and popular demands fault.
Why should we detract from the fact that she was a caring, loving mother and charity worker just cos people are sick of the medias coverage of it?
I was too young to ever fully understand everything about Princess Diana, but I'm not detracting from anything, my opinion is that the fact she's been dead for 10 years shouldn't be so newsworthy, and that, quite frankly, people need to get over it. I don't understand people who actively mourn, cry, over her death, that didn't know her, or didn't benefit from any of the charity work she did. That's my point. I do appreciate that she did a lot of good things in her life, but I don't feel sad about it, and I get annoyed at people who harp on about it, especially when I really don't want to know.

Jack 31-08-2007 04:03 PM

If you don't care about Diana's death than simply don't post in this thread because it's actually quite disrespectful.

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:05 PM

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I don't understand people who actively mourn, cry, over her death, that didn't know her, or didn't benefit from any of the charity work she did. That's my point. I do appreciate that she did a lot of good things in her life, but I don't feel sad about it, and I get annoyed at people who harp on about it, especially when I really don't want to know.
As I've said already, today wasn't about mourning, crying etc... it was about a celebration of her life - something most of us benefitted from. Albeit not directly, yet it makes me happy to know lives were saved - therefore that affects me.

Jack 31-08-2007 04:05 PM

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Im not saying it was Dianas fault, Im just saying its time for everyone to move on.
Time for her children to move on? Time for her family and close friends to move on? If people wish to remember her then that's their wish to do so.

Z 31-08-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by Jack
If you don't care about Diana's death than simply don't post in this thread because it's actually quite disrespectful.
Ah, now, I know what you mean, but I wouldn't say I don't care, I just don't think it's very important in the grand scheme of things, the woman has been dead for 10 years, it shouldn't be front page news. I don't think I'm being disrespectful, it's just my opinion, and I have said it already, I appreciate that she did a lot of good things in her life, but I don't appreciate her, if you see what I mean?

Billy 31-08-2007 04:05 PM

Lauren to be fair, there seems to be a celebration of her life all the time

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:07 PM

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If you don't care about Diana's death than simply don't post in this thread because it's actually quite disrespectful.
Ah, now, I know what you mean, but I wouldn't say I don't care, I just don't think it's very important in the grand scheme of things, the woman has been dead for 10 years, it shouldn't be front page news. I don't think I'm being disrespectful, it's just my opinion, and I have said it already, I appreciate that she did a lot of good things in her life, but I don't appreciate her, if you see what I mean?
It shouldn't be front page news when there's people dying all over the World today. It's unjust. But to say that people should move on?

Like I mentioned before, the service today was simply for people to reminisce and think back to the services she has done for this country. The main service was for family, friends and acquaintances. Should they also move on?

Z 31-08-2007 04:07 PM

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Lauren to be fair, there seems to be a celebration of her life all the time
I agree, there was the concert in her name a couple of months ago, I can't remember precisely what it was for, but it seemed very pointless to me at the time. I can't express this enough, I think that she was a good woman, for all the charity work she did, but I don't think that she's important enough to be on the front page of the news, 10 years after she died.

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:08 PM

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Lauren to be fair, there seems to be a celebration of her life all the time
So there should.

However, today isn't for us - the public. It's for her family (her sons, her ex-husband) to celebrate the time they had together. Should they have cancelled this occasion just because people are sick of reading about it? Seriously?

Billy 31-08-2007 04:09 PM

Why do we need big flashy services and stuff to remember the stuff shes done? If the stuff she has done helped people, then they shouldnt need all that to remember her. I do appreciate that she has done loads of good stuff for people but I dont see why she gets all this stuff

Jack 31-08-2007 04:09 PM

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I wouldn't say I don't care...
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I honestly don't care
Like Lauren said, this is not a mourning of her death but a celebration of her life.

Z 31-08-2007 04:09 PM

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If you don't care about Diana's death than simply don't post in this thread because it's actually quite disrespectful.
Ah, now, I know what you mean, but I wouldn't say I don't care, I just don't think it's very important in the grand scheme of things, the woman has been dead for 10 years, it shouldn't be front page news. I don't think I'm being disrespectful, it's just my opinion, and I have said it already, I appreciate that she did a lot of good things in her life, but I don't appreciate her, if you see what I mean?
It shouldn't be front page news when there's people dying all over the World today. It's unjust. But to say that people should move on?

Like I mentioned before, the service today was simply for people to reminisce and think back to the services she has done for this country. The main service was for family, friends and acquaintances. Should they also move on?
I don't think I said people should move on in that post, though I think I did in another one. Yes, I think people should move on. 10 years is a long time to be grieving for somebody. And no, I don't think her family and friends should move on, but I think the public should, and if the people who are saying that I am being disrespectful, I'd like to say in return that I think the media are disrespectful, turning her life into some kind of spectacle by plastering the fact she died 10 years ago over the headlines. Lauren, you said it, she wouldn't have wanted the media attention.

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by OfficialSuperstar
Why do we need big flashy services and stuff to remember the stuff shes done? If the stuff she has done helped people, then they shouldnt need all that to remember her. I do appreciate that she has done loads of good stuff for people but I dont see why she gets all this stuff
It wasn't a big flashy service? It was a simple church service that a lot of people have done reaching 10 years since their loved-ones death. I don't see what was so flashy about it?

Billy 31-08-2007 04:10 PM

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Lauren to be fair, there seems to be a celebration of her life all the time
So there should.

However, today isn't for us - the public. It's for her family (her sons, her ex-husband) to celebrate the time they had together. Should they have cancelled this occasion just because people are sick of reading about it? Seriously?
Why put it on tv then?

Billy 31-08-2007 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by OfficialSuperstar
Why do we need big flashy services and stuff to remember the stuff shes done? If the stuff she has done helped people, then they shouldnt need all that to remember her. I do appreciate that she has done loads of good stuff for people but I dont see why she gets all this stuff
It wasn't a big flashy service? It was a simple church service that a lot of people have done reaching 10 years since their loved-ones death. I don't see what was so flashy about it?
Oh Ok I dont see why she needs it all though. We dont need a celebration of her life every few months

Z 31-08-2007 04:11 PM

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I wouldn't say I don't care...
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I honestly don't care
Like Lauren said, this is not a mourning of her death but a celebration of her life.

I honestly don't care - that she died 10 years ago.

I wouldn't say I don't care... - that she did a lot of great work in her life.



Do you see the difference there? I care that she put a lot of work into charity. She's an admirable woman. I don't care that she died 10 years ago, that's not important to me.



And yes, I read that the post that said it was a celebration of her life, it was posted at the same time I posted about mourning.

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:12 PM

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Lauren to be fair, there seems to be a celebration of her life all the time
So there should.

However, today isn't for us - the public. It's for her family (her sons, her ex-husband) to celebrate the time they had together. Should they have cancelled this occasion just because people are sick of reading about it? Seriously?
Why put it on tv then?
Because there is public demand for it.

The royal family, her friends, her acquaitances didn't put it on TV.
The media did.
They had the service, they only invited close friends - it was the MEDIA who decided to splash it everywhere.

Jack 31-08-2007 04:14 PM

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Oh Ok I dont see why she needs it all though. We dont need a celebration of her life every few months
Every few months? It's been 10 years, which is a milestone. On September 11th 2011, when people are remembering all those that died in the terror attacks, should people say "move on" and "we don't care"?

Z 31-08-2007 04:17 PM

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Oh Ok I dont see why she needs it all though. We dont need a celebration of her life every few months
Every few months? It's been 10 years, which is a milestone. On September 11th 2011, when people are remembering all those that died in the terror attacks, should people say "move on" and "we don't care"?
That's an unfair comparison to make, September the 11th 2001 saw the death of around 3000 people, as a part of an act of terrorism, which represented that the USA's not as free as they thought they were.


Princess Diana's death was a car crash. I agree, it's a shame that she died in that way, but nowhere near as tragic as the death of 3000 innocent people.

Billy 31-08-2007 04:18 PM

Im talking about the massive concert held for her, which wa sonly a few months ago

Z 31-08-2007 04:20 PM

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Im talking about the massive concert held for her, which wa sonly a few months ago
Yeah, I can't remember what that was for, I know it was Diana related. But it seemed so fake to me, it was just a bunch of performers on a stage, in the name of a woman who worked tirelessly for charity, equality, etcetera. I just didn't see the connection there, and it was a pointless PR stunt.

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:23 PM

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Princess Diana's death was a car crash. I agree, it's a shame that she died in that way, but nowhere near as tragic as the death of 3000 innocent people.
She was murdered by papparazi. She was also innocent.

Difference between her and 9/11 victims is that she saved thousands of lives whereas the majority of 9/11 victims didn't.

It's unfair comparing how deserving a life is of celebration?!
How can you possibly say that 9/11 victims should be celebrated whereas Diana's death shouldn't be?

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:24 PM

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Im talking about the massive concert held for her, which wa sonly a few months ago
Yeah, I can't remember what that was for, I know it was Diana related. But it seemed so fake to me, it was just a bunch of performers on a stage, in the name of a woman who worked tirelessly for charity, equality, etcetera. I just didn't see the connection there, and it was a pointless PR stunt.
1) The money raised went towards her charities.
2) It was William + Harry that organised it, because one of the main passions in her life was music and it was claimed it was the only thing keeping her from suicide.

Billy 31-08-2007 04:25 PM

the difference between 9/11 is we do a memorial for that once a year

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:26 PM

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the difference between 9/11 is we do a memorial for that once a year

"People should get over it"
"I'm sick of seeing it on my TV screen"

Jack 31-08-2007 04:27 PM

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Oh Ok I dont see why she needs it all though. We dont need a celebration of her life every few months
Every few months? It's been 10 years, which is a milestone. On September 11th 2011, when people are remembering all those that died in the terror attacks, should people say "move on" and "we don't care"?
That's an unfair comparison to make, September the 11th 2001 saw the death of around 3000 people, as a part of an act of terrorism, which represented that the USA's not as free as they thought they were.


Princess Diana's death was a car crash. I agree, it's a shame that she died in that way, but nowhere near as tragic as the death of 3000 innocent people.
It's not an unfair comparison because your argument was that it's been so long that we should move on. All I'm saying is that when it's the 10th anniversary of 9/11 should people move on and "not care" about it?

Z 31-08-2007 04:29 PM

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Princess Diana's death was a car crash. I agree, it's a shame that she died in that way, but nowhere near as tragic as the death of 3000 innocent people.
She was murdered by papparazi. She was also innocent.

Difference between her and 9/11 victims is that she saved thousands of lives whereas the majority of 9/11 victims didn't.

It's unfair comparing how deserving a life is of celebration?!
How can you possibly say that 9/11 victims should be celebrated whereas Diana's death shouldn't be?

No, I believe she was murdered by crashing at a high speed :tongue:.

Oh and that's not disrespectful, before somebody jumps me.


She didn't save thousands of lives, she provided the tools to save thousands of lives, but that's not an official figure, just an optimistic estimate, and that can't be denied. I'm not trying to make out that she didn't do great things, because she did, and I don't think I said she wasn't worthy of having her life celebrated? I said that I don't think her life is that worthy that she should be on the front page of the news. Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi, these are the types of people I'd expect to have their lives celebrated in such a manner.

And it wasn't me who brought up the 9/11 victims, originally, I was making the point that there was a huge difference in the circumstances.

Captain.Remy 31-08-2007 04:31 PM

We had a 3 hours special show in France today, maybe because she died in France.
Well what happen is tragic but it had to finish like that. I'm not szying she deserved it but that was her destiny, she was the stereotype of the poor Princess.

Lauren 31-08-2007 04:33 PM

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And it wasn't me who brought up the 9/11 victims, originally, I was making the point that there was a huge difference in the circumstances.
Jack brought it up to show that those lives shouldn't be considered more news-worthy than Diana's life. Why should we accept that they're shown on our news every single year yet when Diana is celebrated for her 10 year anniversary people say they should move on?
Thats as if you're claiming that the 9/11 victims should be missed whereas Diana shouldn't be?

Edit: And if it wasn't for the papparazzi chasing her at high speed she'd never have crashed - to me that holds them responsible.

Z 31-08-2007 04:34 PM

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It's not an unfair comparison because your argument was that it's been so long that we should move on. All I'm saying is that when it's the 10th anniversary of 9/11 should people move on and "not care" about it?
I'd say it's a hugely unfair comparison, there's a massive difference between one person's death and 3000 peoples' deaths. So yes, I'm sticking by my original point, people should move on. Diana's death was saddening for a huge number of people, but it wasn't for me, I don't think that I'm being disrespectful when I say that, because I know and appreciate all of the things she did in her life.

When it's the 10th anniversary of 9/11, people should move on, but they should remember it, and they will, because 3000 people died. I don't think that one person's death should be such a momentous occasion after 10 years. I don't think this would have gotten anywhere near as much as media attention if Diana hadn't been royalty, do you? That's not her fault, obviously, but this media attention, and the over-reaction to her death irritates me.


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