Is Britain losing its identity?
 

OK so heres another hop topic open for discussion. With the amount of foreign people moving to the UK and UK people moving abroad do you think Britain is in dagner of losings its identity?

Do you think we do enough to maintain our culture and promote it to others?

All opinions welcome.

Perhaps not completely related, but I think it is somehow - I reckon citizenship and more British History should be introduced to our childrens' syllabus.

er... britain decided to loose its history after it decided to conqour every other country, even tho i still dont know what British Identity is apart from a Union Jack and a Rolls Royce

Britains identity is
-Fish and Chips
-The Union Jack
-The Queen
-Blackpool
-London
-Manchester
-St Georges flag
and of course Coronation Street

Lol yes i suppose so. although not to sure about Coronation Street lol.

I just think that our country and its people are so keen to understand and learn about new cultures and religon that we are forgetting our own.

I think there is a little more to British culture than fish and chips lol

Here is a link to a site that talks about British culture etc....

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch...oms/questions/

hehe :joker:

In a word "yes"

The BNP reckon that by 2060, white people will be the minority in Britain.
People from other countries are trying to come to Britain and change the laws to suit them and their culture/religion, I find that extremely wrong and it annoys me.
If people from other countries want to live over here, they should follow Britains culture and Britains laws.

Britain is slowly losing its identity.

I’d probably have a biased view, but I definitely think that it’s worthwhile keeping an open mind in terms of other cultures and different people. It makes you more of a world citizen rather than closed-minded.

At the same time though, I think it’s important for people who move to other countries etc. to be appreciative of the fellow peoples’ beliefs, and for those people in turn to be tolerant of theirs. However ignorance seems to be becoming a lot more apparent these days and that’s where the problem lies: it’s also why countries such as Britain feel as if they’re losing their identity.

I agree with what Gracie said...
It's a minor situation but i'll refer you to this:

Muslims demand prayer rooms in public buildings such as colleges.
The college gives into their demands at the risk of seeming prejudice against said Muslims.

Christians demand a prayer room [to be fair, christians don't seem to shout orders around to accomodate their beliefs in public buildings anyway.]
Christians are told by the college there's no call for it, that praying can be done anywhere and are refused a special room. Or the college simply ignores the request until everyone forgets about it.

It's situations like that, that cause the problem of ethnic "minorities" [soon to be majorities.] gaining everything they desire. Such as a mega mosque in London that's the size of several football stadiums so ive heard...a church of that size would never even be contemplated.

How can our country promote equality, when clearly certain people are gaining special treatment?

If we look at Big Brother, Germaine Jackson got away with calling Jade Goody and her mother WHITE trash..a direct comment about her skin colour. Jade Goody got in serious trouble for referring to a persons last name as a type of foreign food.

Also, if we look at other countries such as Japan...
The culture is VERY strong. We fail tremendously in comparison.

Nobody in politics or the government can speak up about the situation however, or they will be branded prejudice/racist instantly. Hence why the problem will never be addressed and we will continue to accomodate for people USING us to provide them with decent lives.

If coloured and ethnic people continue to increase their population to the point that they out number whites, will this still be classed as our country?
When all of those people stem from foreign countries.

Because if/when that day comes, we'll seriously have to start thinking about that.

I would hate to be classed as a racist, but I'm just proud of where I come from and being British and I do not want to be the minority in my own country.
I do not have a problem with other people wanting to live in Britain, as Ash said, to be appreciative of other people's culture, etc. But when people come into Britain and want to change the laws to suit them, I find that wrong.
My main example is the situation with the burka's. Our laws should not have to be changed or altered or even a new law made to accomodate another culture!
It's the governments fault at the end of the day for letting so many people into our country who aren't willing to work and so are taking up homes.

You still have your own money and at least people see more to your culture than drinking,greeness and leprachauns.

This clearly a very topical matter at the moment and i dont think anyone should be called racist for wanting their country to maintain its idenity. How do you think we change this and is it possible or is it to late? Do the goverment need to get their act together and tackle this problem?

The statement's a bit over-generalised. If you're on about Muslims as a whole, you're in effect on about 19% of the world's population. And if in the UK, even so, many of that faith aren't in the same frame of mind. I will admit that the problem comes from both ends - and it's the clash between the beliefs as well as ignorance from both which is the problem.

That particular incident was described in depth when it happened. Jermaine was in fact quoting fellow ex-contestant Leo.

I don't think we need to address the issue of racism from anyone in this topic right now...
Im sure we're all mature enough to understand that it's possible to discuss the differences in the way coloured/ethnic/white people are treated, without being classed as racists.

We can change things by simply not giving anyone special treatment out of fear of being labelled prejudice/racist by the public. This would result in everyone being treated equally...
Not that we owe anyone anything, as we aren't treated fairly in many countries around the world. But we should ignore that and be the better people.

The government do need to sort out the problem, or they'll soon be faced with white people complaining that they're mistreated, rather than ethnic minorities etc...which means the problem transfers to us, citizens of our own country, which is just plain ridiculous.

I do however, think it's too late to be solved.
Or should I say, people are now so scared to do anything about it that they'll let it carry on.

As for Germaine Jackson, all I remember is him having a conversation purely orientated around him trying to comfort Shilpa..with no mention of Leo, just him insulting Jade and her mother to try and show his support for Shilpa.

And I don't think anyone else at the time recalled a mention of Leo? unless it's publically on video somewhere for me to watch.

I dont care about Britan now Its being taken over by Imigrents

I wanna live in the USA asap!

I completely agree with that.

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Retroman - I agree, and I definitely don't think anyone's said anything racist. The term is thrown around so loosely these days.
Just intelligent discussion.

And yeah, if you check in the CBB section for that particular incident, plenty was said about it.

Gracie - I'm glad you do. Because I think more than anything that's where the root of the problem is.

Moving away from religion etc for a moment...
I don't think Britain has lost it's identity for such things as Blackpool, fish and chips, London, The Queen etc.

Although, we were once known for posh accents, good manners, and tea.
Now we're known for obesity, drunks, ill mannered people, swearing, common accents and single mums etc.

I do believe there's a great deal of freedom over here though in comparison to other countries...even more so than America. Mainly because America lives by the idea of the American Dream, which means a lot more of what people do over there is still classed as wrong.

It's definitely not losing an identity. Honestly, here in the US, I think that we're losing more of an identity, but gaining the "stupid American" one which for the most part is actually true. Thank God I'm moving back to the UK soon enough.

i agree with retro man about the fact that miniorities get what they want when they want because people fear of being branded a racist but if a white person asks for somthing it could be questioned.
i feel white people are put at a disidvantage for there skincolour more than anyone else.

The same thing is happening in France and Mr Sarkozy has decided to do something against that. Of course it's a scandal as he called "racist" but I do agree with him. France is scared about that, as Britain, our traditions have to be respected. Then if you want to go in France, you have to deserve it, it's what the President said and that's why he has been elected.

I know what you mean (but Ségolène Royal was much better than Sarkozy). It's political correctness that drives me crazy. Sure, be decent, that's common sense, but don't go hyperactive over making sure that you offend noöne.

Not much more I can add except say I agree 100% with your conclusions.

I might add in the part of the UK I reside when I walk down the street or get on a bus most of the time I hear very few speaking Enlish. As such I feel the odd one out as if I don't belong here.

What annoys me is not that we have different cultures is that a large proportion of them are not interested even in speaking the language of the country they have adopted. This would be understandable with older imigrants but I am afraid it also includes children born here speaking their original language instead of the language of country they have been born in.

This has and can only lead to a sea change in the British culture...Indeed large areas of the country has lost most of what you would regard British culture. The remainder of the country will inevitably follow in the coming decades.......

Im glad someone agree's...
Ive also heard rumours [I say rumour, but it's from my friend who often finds facts on these things..but I haven't seen the evidence myself, hence me calling it a rumour.] that the government targets quiet towns that have a mainly white population, then purposefully moves coloured and ethnics into that area to try and promote equality.

Not just because of that, but also in order to avoid over crowding certain area's with too many coloured/ethnic people for as long as possible. As they already know it's becoming a problem.

I have a friend who lives in Wimbledon, and tells me how it used to be completely white based. And now, according to him, the population of whites has become a minority in Wimbledon. And I know for a fact there are certain places around London, and many other towns/cities for that matter, where white people daren't pass through due to past history of black people harming white people at night time etc. Yet there doesn't seem to be much evidence of black people scared to walk through white based area's these days..the only time they do fear for themselves is when faced with a bunch of drunken teenagers/men on a street corner [but we all feel uncomfortable around those to some extent im guessing.]

Which, in my eyes, is decent evidence that the number of coloured/ethnic people has risen to such an extent, and they've become so confident within themselves that the racism has now reversed onto us.

There is also scientific proof and tests that prove the majority of coloured people have a more primitive form of thinking. Mainly based on education results over many years, but also goes far back to the fact that white men discovered/invented the wheel long before black countries did. Many perform certain behaviour like gritting their teeth together and making a certain sound [and similar actions.] or don't understand sarcasm based jokes, and usually tend to talk in a certain manner that only they get away with [of course im not labelling everyone, but I have to speak for majorities here.]

So it has been said that if coloured people were to over populate our country to the point we became a minority, that black people simply wouldn't give us the chance for equality as we have done for them. But it would actually end up in mass racism towards us.

Now I realise this could be classed as me labelling an entire mass group of people as "racists" but that simply isn't the case [and until the situation arises, you can't actually say whether im wrong or not about what im saying.] But if you've visited many area's with decent black populations you will notice that the majority act and behave, and even talk in specific ways..and it's that frame of mind and behaviour that would result in white people potentially suffering in the future.

The more intelligent coloured/ethnic people, as well as government based one's, would of course say otherwise and like our country does, they would try to promote equality. However, the common northerner and BNP are known for being racist, or disliking black/foreign people entering our country [again, I can't stress enough, there are always exceptions..im originally from up north myself so I should know what reputations we have.]

And if coloured people were to outnumber us, the majority would have a similar mind as that of "common northerners" only, there would be far many more of them.

I doubt very much such rumour's are true. It would get out and be one very hot potatoe for a government to move people about based on colour or race.

I don't see the problem as a colour or racial one. Research or not I don't believe there is any prime difference between the intelligence of one race or another. Theoretically we should all be able to live in harmony.

The problem is the culture of whome ever.......You can be any colour and indeed race and adopt a suitable culture to reflect the host country and it's traditional ways. Problem is growing chunks of communities do not do that.

Culture's that are slightly different can mix in harmony. Culture's that are poles apart however pose a great threat for the future. People whose culture or religion is fixed and inflexible will never intergrate in any functional way. Civil war on a massive and savage scale will become inevitable...As the saying goes. Not if but when.....

The fact we are experiencing terrorism from extreme cultural beliefs/religions is evidence that civil war has actually begun (Be it slow burning at present).......Across the world we are in the early simmering stages of the war of all wars.World war three is here and is just a matter of time before it explodes out of control......

It's meant to be something very subtle...
Just the placing of coloured/ethnic people in housing that is in towns that were once completely white populated. Not really something someone notices or bothers about usually, especially due to it being done over time.

Nobody really questions it, it's just seen as people coming to our country/being born in our country and needing housing. But as I said, I don't know, just heard.
So it's not as though im trying to dictate to anyone that it's true, of course.

If a war is brought about in this century, I dread to think where we could end up...
Especially with technology as advanced as we currently have.

Sending a few troops to Iraq/Afghanistan and having little gun fights and throwing a few grenades around isn't classed as a war, or even a full scale battle. A war could be so much worse.

Especially if politicians were forced to defend their countries by all means possible, instead of worrying about rules and regulations. Then the threat of nuclear missles, bombs and much more could come into play...especially from countries/places populated by terrorists and underhanded people who don't live by rules and politics.

Iraq/Afganistan could be the least of our problems. There is a high probability that Pakistan will fall into the hands of extremists sooner rather than later. Pakistan is a nuclear power. All atomic hell would break loose....Terrorists would be given nuclear know how across the world. Not if but when.

an anoying thing is ppl in US call UK England :O

What about Wales Scotland Ireland

Nice reliable source there :wink:

That's BNP-talk for "GET THE IMMIGRANTS OUT, THEY'RE STEALIN' MA JOBS".

:)

The USA is a country founded on immigrants. From Great Britain, South America, North America, Africa through the slave-trade... :bored:

Trust me, you are so much better off living in the UK. In five years, immigrants (first-generation, mostly illegal) will make up more than 60% of the US, if you're concerned about immigration, that is.

im dont mind about imigrants aslong as they dont try to bend rules for themselves. it anoys me how they call racism just like that. i do feel like im loosing my identity very much im 1 of 4 white people in my class and 10 yeas ago i dont think it would have been that low, not that theres a problem with that just a point.

I think, the more new British citizenship given to people, the higher the performance of British economy, and it also enlightens many people in gaining new knowledge of different culture.