abortion
 

I am against abortion,i would say 100% but the only way id consider abortion is if i knew 100% that my baby would die virtually immediatley after it was born if possibly if i was told it would have a terrible terminal illness.I cant think of an example right now but I do know that say if my baby were to have downs syndrome I would not consider abortion.What are your views.

My views are that every situation is different, and I dont see why anyone should judge someone byh aving an abortion, unless they know the ins and out of teh situation

I'm for it, what about if a women get's raped? Ok it ent the baby's fault.

Or a teenage girl? I am defo for it.

i dont judge people i just think its wrong,always have always will.I can understand why some women who have been raped and as a rsult become pregnant choose abortion but even then i am still totally against it.I dont know if id raise the baby myself,id consider adoption

Most situations involving abortion involve the mother not wanting the baby for some reason or another...
Or occasionally the father pressuring her into it.

If this is the case, no matter what the reason, she should have took more responsibility not to get pregnant in the first place and not seek abortion as an easy way to correct her immature and thoughtless actions.

However, if the baby was to be terminally ill, I could accept that, as well as if she was raped.

If the baby was a complete accident even though the parents took full precautions [which rarely happens.] then id personally prefer them to have the baby and if it's unwanted, at least give it a chance with adoption to have a happy life. But if they chose to get rid of something that was inflicted upon them due to pure accidental reasons out of their control, then I guess they have every right to do so.

i think it wrong to and im agaibst it but in all honesty if i was a teenage girl who got rapped and ended up pregnant i wouldnt even consider keeping the baby!

I'm against it if it's a case where someone has casual sex, gets pregnant, and just decides that they don't want the baby just because it's inconvenient to them. If having a baby to look after is inconvenient for them, they could give birth anyway and someone else who can't have children, but really wants a child, can have it.

If the couple used methods of contraception that didn't work but the mother became pregnant anyway, but didn't want a child, then I still think she could at least give birth to the child and let someone else who would like a child to look after it.

But if it's a situation where having the baby is a danger to the mother's life/health or if it turns out that the baby may die after birth, I'm not against it. I'm also not against it if a woman was raped and ended up pregnant, it's a sad situation, as it would also be unfair to the child, and they would be an innocent victim, like the mother.

I'm sure there are lots and lots of scenarios where the issue of having abortion would arise, and I probably have different opinions in each situation, as Billy said.

If i were to get pregnant now with my boyfriend (as im not sleeping with anyone else lol) i would be absolutly devastated,distraught,petrified.I would be angry at myself and feel like id thrown everything i care about right now away,my freedom,my teenage years when i should be having fun and not worry about stuff like money and having no responsibilities in general.Id also have thrown my education and the career i want away as there would be no way i could afford university and i wouldnt be able to finsih college either.
But....
there is absolutly no way I would get rid of the baby and a tiny tiny part of me would be excited and overjoyed.

I fink abortion is only ok with certain circumstances like rape.

I dont think ppl should be allowed to have an abortion just cos they dont want the baby because then they never learn from the situation. i know somone who got pregnant and got it aborted just cos she didnt want it.

A couple of nights later she went out and got pregnant again but by the time she found out it was to late to have it aborted.

thats just sick.You know some people can never have children or go through mis carrige after miscarrige and never have a baby of their own or some people have to experience loosing their own child and yet there are people like that in the world.
I just think thats really wrong.sorry.

i totally agree with this its awful but recently my niece Kimberely had to have an abortion because she had a very bad siss in here tummy and it was meant that either her or the new baby would die when the baby was born but my brother is normally very against it he wasnt pleased at first but now hes come to terms with it but thats how it had to go but shes fine now gladly asd she does have a little boy Aramarni whos lovely :thumbs:

aww im deeply sorry to hear that ann,thats terrible.I cant imagine how having to go through something like that must feel.Glad to hear she has a lovely little boy though,i wish your niece well:thumbs:

thank you supernoodles i will tell her that when i see her :hug:

Adoption is no answer...most children who are eligible for adoption will never be adopted. There are thousands of children hoping to be adopted RIGHT NOW, who have no chance of ever being. That's just an easy answer.

I don't agree with abortion as a method of contraception - but I REALLY don't agree with forcing someone to bring an unwanted baby into the world. If people were forced to see their pregnancy through, the chances are you would either be sentencing that child to a lifetime of resentment by their parent(s) or a lifetime stuck in our already stretched to the limits care system.

And it amazes me when people say abortion is okay only if the mother is raped. The general argument against abortion is that you are killing an innocent life (that's not what I personally think, but that seems to be what anti-abortionists think). A rapist's baby is innocent, is it not? But it's okay to kill it because it is a child of rape? What about if the woman chose to have the baby and then hated it, because it was a constant reminder of the rape? What about if she killed that child because the father had raped her? By all your arguments - that's okay.

There's just no logic to it.

I'm fully pro-choice. Abortion is never going to be outlawed (face it), and thank goodness. If it was, we would return to the days of back street abortions (surely you're not naive enough to think that people would not try and abort their babies just because it was illegal)? which would put both the mother and child's life at risk.

And Sod_James - in reference to the girl you wrote about: how can you say that such a person should not be allowed to have an abortion? She is clearly unable to take any sort of responsibility for herself, so the chances of her being able to look after a helpless child are zilch. Do you think we should make irresponsible people have babies? Do you think that's a good idea to entrust the life of a baby to someone so careless? And don't give me the adoption answer - I've already said that that is no solution.

I'm sorry about your niece Ann. That's a terrible thing for her to go through, and I hope she is feeling much better now. That's a whole different issue though.

I say a definite YES to abortion. If a woman gets pregnant and decides for whatever reason that she does not wish to have that child, then destroy it by abortion. It sounds cruel and heartless I know, but for some women it is worse just keeping it. Every person and every situation will be different for each individual who finds themselves having to make this hard decision. But for many, it is the right and only decision.

So then you have to imagine a life without abortion being allowed:puzzled: for many women, that thought is hardly worth thinking about:bawling: many women just can't cope with having a child and destroying it at that early stage is much easier all round. With no abortion being available, there would be tons of unwanted children out there and nobody really wants that, do they?

That can be crueller.

O yeh so just kill the baby - thats fair aint it. Just because the girl is too selfish and careless. There are plenty of couples out there who would give their right arm for a child. I would rather see the child adopted rather than terminated.

I'm for it also. There are far too many unwanted kids in the world as it is without bringing any more. I think that under all circumstances it should happen, even if someone falls pregnant after sex, doesn't like the idea and wants rid then they should have the option of abortion.

I think people who say ''it shouldn't be allowed, blah blah blah'' are selfish as firstly, it's not fair on the mother, she shouldn't be ''stuck'' because that's how she'd feel, she shouldn't be stuck with a baby she doesn't want and secondly, the baby shouldn't be brought up by someone who doesn't want them ... what a great childhood they'd have eh?

Yeah it's irresponsible that they fell pregnant and all the rest of it but even so, nobody should be FORCED to keep a baby they don't want. And you can't even say ''put them up for adoption'' because as it's been said previously, there are enough kids waiting to be adopted and not enough families for them all so that's by no means a solution.

If I was to get a girl pregnant now then I would be absolutely devastated and if she brought up an abortion then honestly I'd be so relieved and this is the case with a lot of people so why should children have to suffer just because some people think that abortions are not ''morally right''? If abortions were illegal then there would be SO many more unwanted, unhappy and miserable kids in the world so for that reason as well as others, I am 110% for abortion under all circumstances.

I'm pro choice. Adoption is not the answer. There are already far to many kids in the system as it is.

People who suggest adoption as the answer clearly have no idea about the figures for babies in care and prospective adoptive parents. A good idea would be to learn about such things before you bring that up as a potential solution.

Sod_James - you think it's okay to bring a child into the world with parents who are clearly incapable of looking after it, and who could well end up resenting it? You think it's okay to sentence a child to a life of misery because it eases your conscience?

Just tried to edit my response, but this computer won't let me - so I'll post again here. What about my comments about people thinking abortion is okay if the woman is raped? How can people say they are against abortion unless she is raped? As I said before, by that token, you are saying it's okay to kill a baby once it's born if it was the product of rape. You can't have it both ways - either you are completely for or completely against abortion. No exceptions. Of course, that's just my opinion. But nobody has ever provided a reasonable explanation for why they think abortion should be outlawed except in the case of rape.

Its right in the correct circumstances

Ruth you`ve got a valid point,but its just my personal opinion.Im agaisnt abortion,im not against other people doing it (although i still think its wrong).I cant put myself in someone elses situation and feel how it would feel for them,i can understand that sometimes and i mean very occasionaly its the right thing to do I just no that I`ll never have an abortion myself unless of course the child is terminaly ill inwhich case i may consider it as i think in certain circumstances it more cruel to let the child live.
Its just the mums to be who go around having abortions for pathetic reasons such as 'there to young' , they 'cant afford it' , 'they`ll have no career' , 'there a single mum'.Im sorry i dont give a stuff,you were so careless and got pregnant,bloody grow up and deal with it instead of killing your own baby becuase of your own selfishness,laziness and damn right carelessness

No im simply saying that i believe that a child should at least be given a chance of life. A life is a life no matter what type of life it is and i personally believe that no one should have the right to deny life.

Thats like saying disabled people should be put down early in life because their quality or length of life would not be that of a normal average person.

A child should at least be given a shot at life before ppl simply say, oh that child wont be loved so lets kill it. there are allways more than one way around things.

The thing is supernoodles and Sod_James - your posts almost seem to be saying that if a woman gets pregnant because she was irresponsible, she should keep the baby almost as a kind of punishment to her. I just can't agree with that.

And James (and please don't think I am having a go at you, because I'm not) to say a life is a life no matter what, is incredibly short sighted. You're saying it's okay to give a child life when you know even before that child is born that you won't be able to give it a happy life? That you won't be able to look after it properly? That you are not financially or emotionally capable of looking after it?

Or you could go down the adoption route of course, and give the child the prospect of years stuck in our care system. Because the chances of it being adopted are extremely slight. No doubt you will think it is better to give the child a chance at being adopted. But you will be giving a better chance of spending a life in care with no hope of ever being adopted.

If all the babies that had been aborted in the last, say, 10 years had not been aborted, our country would not even be able to cope with the high population - we are stretched to the limit as it is.

You said that abortion is okay if the mother is raped. What do you think about the point I made about that? I've raised it twice, but so far, nobody has made any kind of response.

We have a thread about abortion in this section already!

I support and agree with everything Ruth has already said. Abortion is a personal choice that women make based on their personal circumstances. I made a choice at 16 to have a baby and I can tell you it was never easy. I am lucky in that I have a loving supportive, nurturing family, many other teenage mothers are not as lucky as I was and are left isolated and lonely. They end up resenting the very child they made the decision to have.

The great thing about this country is we as women are all entitled to a choice about what we do or do not do with our bodies and that includes the decision to terminate a pregnancy.

Not every woman that gets pregnant and wants to end the pregnancy is irresponsible, often contraception fails, no contraceptive is 100% effective, so what about them? Do those that have had failed contraception get classed as irresponsible?

The care system is bursting at the seams, there are not enough "suitable" adoptive parents to take all the children already in our system. I would certainly not want to be responsible for putting a child into the local authority care system in this country, it isnt a pretty life. They move from home to hom, foster carer to foster carer. What kind of life is that? Some end up in the system through circumstance, but to bring a child into the world knowing that is what you plan!!

Your points are valid and i respect your opinion because everyone is entitled to one. But i simply believe that a abortion is wrong and it shouldnt be allowed just because they believe they couldnt cope.

But at the end of the day everyone is different.

Listen to your words. Where you might be able to cope, someone else might not. Like you said, we're all different.

Yeah I know,I accept that its right for some wrong for others.My point is that I PERSONALLY would not choose abortion.Even if I was taking the pill,bf used a condom or whatever,if i still managed to get pregnant I would not ever consider abortion

(Ive posted this on the other abortion thread aswell the person asked whether abortion should be legal or not legal btw..)

This is a subject that always puzzles me as i have to agree with both sides.
I dont think its right to kill a human being either and i think if its youre fault (for not using a condom) then that makes it even worse. But at the same time supposen the person is not ready to have a child? and they feel that they cant give a child the life it needs? then why put the child through all that suffering? And its the same case for a girl/women who might of been raped, imagine if having an abortion was illegal and that person would have to bring up the baby (possibly hating it) and the child would probably feel so unloved if they were to find out how they were brought into the world. So i suppose i think it should be legal as the person having the baby must know if there ready for a baby or not and they do have the right to make up their own minds. x

I'm all for it. I don't believe in bringing kids into the world when they aren't wanted and if the parents don't have the financial means to bring them up. Its all well and good us saying they should put them into care instead, but I think thats even worse than killing something that could be a person because the parents will have knowledge that someone out there is a part of them living with someone else not knowing who its real parents are, and one day they might have to answer. Its just not as black and white or as easy as people think it is.

I admit I'm split on this one. A child may grow up to be a great, successful person. Though to get there they may have lived a life of abuse.

I agree x

I, personally am against it in some cases. But I would never judge a woman for having an abortion. I think that if the woman has been raped, then the mother can if she wishes have an abortion but I think that having an abortion because the child will have a disability such as downs syndroms or if the parents are happy with the sex of the baby is wrong. There is always adoption and there are some people wishing to adopt who will love and care for the child if the parents don't want it. I think though that the age limit for having an abortion should be lowered to 12 weeks. I think 22/24 weeks is just too far into the pregnancy.

Yeah, they might grow up to be a terrorist. Maybe a paedophile. A murderer?

Bit impossible to dispute what they might be, really.

Some people don't know they are pregnant until around 15-20 weeks.

It gets into quite an interesting debate. There are case studies where babies have been born at 24 weeks and have survived and have grown up to be normal and healthy. There was also a case where a baby was born at 23 weeks but doctors refused to treat it because its counted as a miscarriage, but it could have lived.

Does this mean that aborting a baby at 24 weeks is murder?

to kill a child is never right whatever the circumstance..........usually in later life the mother is plagued with guilt and it becomes a life long torment.!

every child,no matter the circumstance, ALWAYS should have a right to life.

Yeah but that entirely depends on when you view them as "a child". The moment of conception, 24 weeks, birth?

Would never want it but I'm defo not against it. I think there are dozens of situations where it would be morally wrong to have a baby, knowing it would never have the life it deserves.

As for the argument that there are too many babies in care, so adoption is not and answer so lets crank up the abortion lines..

Why are social services coming up with flimsey excuses to remove babies from people if there is a surplus? It is because it is easy to place babies for adoption than older children. The figures for children in care are for those with disabilities or who are older. Adopting a baby away is still a possible alternative.

When does life begin?

Conception

In law we identify individuals by DNA, so if you look at the mother and the foetus you will find that the foetus has it's own different DNA. So by the way we identify criminals in our legal system, the foetus is a person.


Getting back to other arguments, suppose a woman gets pregnant by a man. (Not Rape) but then the man goes onto or has found to have been involved in something horrific. Is the child (Sorry foetus) tainted?

Another way of the rape issue, is that by choosing the abortion route, are you not letting the man off of the hook? He caused the child to be. In non rape cases, the man is also responsible for the child, financialy. By getting rid of it, this relieves the man of a financial penalty, even after he has served his sentence, (assuming a conviction is obtained)


Finally to add to this mix, some might argue that even if a woman wanted to keep the child, she should in law be made to have a termination if the father does not want it. Are some advocating that?

Finally finally, because of a court case some years ago about something else, it is possible theoretically for someone under the age of 18 to be made to have a termination even if they do not want one.

More on that one when I get back from work.