Prostitution
 

Should it become legal? Do you look down on prostitutes? Are the men/"clients" just as bad? Or are they worse?

"Do you look down on prostitutes?"

Depends what they are doing to me.

:spin: Thank you, I will be here all week.

I think it should be legal, don't see why it is illegal. If men want to pay for sex from women willing to give it them while trying to make abit of cash well I can't see no problem it isn't hurting anyone else.

We had this debate about this time last year. I'll find the thread.

The best answer is probably not. If prostitution was legal it would cause just as many problems as it would cure. The girls would have to be tested regularly, their working conditions would have to be aproved etc. All of this would increase price and probably create 'underground' brothels where rules were not as strict.

Also, if we legalised prostituion then how would we regulate which sex acts were legal and which ere illegal? How far would the punters be allowed to go with the girls? Legalising prostitution is a good idea in theory but the reality is that it's a logisitical mightmare.

Karma to Dr43%er for that joke :tongue:

I personally don't know, since there's lots of things to take into account, such as young girls being exploited by (is there a better word for "pimps"?)

No I dont think it should be legal,its sick.I know theres millions of girls all over the world who are seriously desperate for cash and see no other way out other than turning to prostitution but surely making it legal would only make matters worse and increase the number of prostitues.

Prostitution is legal in parts (all?) of the Netherlands and is considered to be safer not only for the women but also for their 'clients' as prostitutes must register and be tested for Sti's on a regular basis...

No. They should just get a proper job and if dirty old men want sex that badly then they will go out and get it properly and for free. For the record, yes I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money.

Just to take a counter point. Should the girls who do decide to go in to it not be offered protection. They are going to do it anyway. So why not keep them safer?

I look down on the men more than the women,some women are forced into it,have no other way out ect [you dont find many that just want to do it for the love of it!]But with the men there just filthy old perverts who cant get it any other way.I think the men need help!

Had this discussion a while back with some people and I remember some of the comments that where said;

"they are dirty"

"they make me sick"

blah blah blah.

I really think it should become legal. It still happens everywhere, it's always going to happen and by making it legal then they are not at as much risk.

I honestly believe that it's just another job and they should be free to do it and not get locked up for it ... obviously it shouldn't be shuvved in our faces but it's just another way of making some money; keeping a roof over your head, feeding yourself etc.

At the end of the day, they are doing nobody else any harm, they are having sex and getting paid for it ... is that really such a huge deal? Fair enough it's not an ideal "job" but you have to make money somehow and I'd rather they made it this way than turning to theft etc which could leave other people out of pocket.

Providing it's not shuvved in our faces then I think they should be left be. People should get off their high horse when it comes to prostitutes and stop thinking they are the scum of the earth.

I really feel sorry for them because I doubt prostitution was #1 on their "what I want to be when I grow up" list.

I agree, the men seem to get away with their reputation intact but women only have to sleep with someone else whilst in a relationship and be called a slut, let alone being a prostitute.

I don't think there is no way out for them though.

There we go.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru....php?tid=55513

"dirty old men"

That's a complete stereotype and no doubt you'd be surprised.

And getting a "proper job" is not as easy as people make it out to be.

Prostitues sell their bodies. Do models not to that? Don't page 3 girls get their t!ts out for other people's pleasure? Is that not the same thing?

Do you feel the same about porn? They do exactly the same ... they have sex for money. Is that also "extremeley derogatory"? Yet no doubt you and your right hand have sat there and enjoyed it ... no?

Or is porn completely different because it's legal so therefore no longer "derogatory"?

And yeah ... I looked for the other thread but had no luck.

Nearly EXACTLY a year to the day .. strange.

I agree with Legend. People seem to be missing the bigger picture. As long as prostitution is illegal, it is impossible to control and women are open to abuse.

Lets face it, whether it's legal or not, it's still going to happen so I think it should be legalised. The Dutch are very forward thinking really...

"I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money."

If someone offered you £1'000'000 to sleep with them, they are not hideous but may not be your first choice. Would you?

Top point legend.

no how is it the same thing ,gettign your tits out for a photo or letting some married bloke with 3 kids who you dont know from adam put his greasy paws all over your body and do god knows what to you {not saying all men who go to prostitues are like this just an example]

Prostitution will always be illegal in some way shape or form. Did you read my post above? If prostitution is legal how do we decide what the punters can do to the girls? Also, what to stop a dirty old man type entreprneur opening brothels that appeal to people who demand more hardcore sex. How do we control that and stop him hiding behind the law inorder to discriminate and oppress women? Isn't it strange how this debate runs into another debate.

"need help" OTT much? If they are willing to pay for sex then what's the harm? It doesn't mean they need professional help ... it means they are human and they enjoy sex ... does it honestly matter if they are paying for it or not?

"filthly old perverts"

Again, another stereotype ... and since when was having sex perverted? Nor is it filthy. It's sex, we all do it ... so what if people have to/want to pay for it, that's their choice and it's not harming anybody else and I really don't think it's a sign of them needing to seek professional help.

Yes, it is a stereotype but that is just the way I think. I can't help that.

No, thats a completely different job. They aren't having god knows what shoved up them for a start.

1) Porn is fake
2) Porn is crap- its funny and unrealistic. It does NOTHING for me.
3) I'm left handed :joker:

Jamie Theakston, Hugh Grant, Dirty old men?

Add Angus Deayton to that list.

The chances are they used a vice girl, not a prostitute. There is a slight difference between the two.

There is not difference. Both sell their bodies for sex.

I agree with Girth. If it was legalised, we would go to the point of debating how far prostition should go & should the men be responsible if the prostitute does get pregnant, and protection fails.

If it is legal, only more issues will arise.

Only those with "so much respect for themselves" wouldn't I bet.

That's exactly it ... THEY are LETTING them put their "greesy paws" all over them ... that is their choice so who are we to tell them no?

As Matt10K said, keeping it illegal means the women have to put themselves in more danger as they are not wanting to get caught by the police whereas if it was legal then they wouldn't have that worry and they wouldn't be in as much danger.

I know what you mean GiRTh but that's for another debate. :laugh:

There is.

1) Prostitutes generally work alone, do not get checked and may be riddled with disease, and just generally tramps to put it nicely. They will also go for about £50 and stand on street corners, work wherever. They are used for sex.
2) Vice girls work for an agency, have regular checks and get paid a lot more. They also appear to be of a higher class and only work mainly in hotels. They do not just sell themselves for sex. Some people hire vice girls purely for conversational purposes (as strange as that may be) and some hire them to be a dominatrix. Vice girls are not all about sex.

I knew you'd be left handed. :laugh:

Yeah, it may be a different job but they are both "selling their bodies" which is "extremely derogatory".

The only thing I can see your argument applying to is underage prostitution and no I don't think this should be legalised but consenting adults- yes.

Legalising it won’t stop abuse, it will ‘reduce’ it. It is impossible to stop it.

So because they prance around a restaurant before bending over they are better than the tramps yeah? To put it nicely.

Prostitutes sell sex for money.
Vice girls sell sex for money.

Don't be a hypocrite.

I think, no one cares if its legal or not [ no offence:) ] They would still do it anyway:bigsmile:

They are tramps as well, they just don't necessarily look like them :joker:

As for the porn stars, then yes its derogatory to them as well, if not more so.

But to be honest and after thinking about it, I couldn't care less if it became legal or not because it won't affect me because I have no plans to become a male prostitute and I can get it for free anyway. Whether or not it is legal, it will still be happening probably on the same scale because those interested in it will probably already be into it. I doubt there would be a dramatic increase.

ROFLMFAO At the lefthanded comment!!

i dont see the point in it being illegal, its still goin to happen

How does my argument only apply to underage prostitution? Surely a clever entrepreneur can make money out of older women by offering a more kinky option.

Of course abuse is impossible to stop but legalising prostitution would in a way legalise the abuse. The abuse would reduce due to the fact that its legal. Is that what we want?

[/quote]How does my argument only apply to underage prostitution? Surely a clever entrepreneur can make money out of older women by offering a more kinky option.

Of course abuse is impossible to stop but legalising prostitution would in a way legalise the abuse. The abuse would reduce due to the fact that its legal. Is that what we want? [/quote]

Where is your evidence for this? Prostitution is far safer in the Netherlands because it is legal and able to be controlled.

Your argument only applies to underage prostitution because since when is something 'kinky' illegal? How kinky are we talking here? Even S&M is legal so I'm not really sure what sort of kinky you are referring to?

Also, by legalising prostitution, you are not legalising abuse. Women aren't being abused by having sex. The abuse comes from violent punters and by legalising it and having set areas with security, the abuse is greatly reduced.

See, in the Netherlands, the legal prostitutes work inside, not on the streets. They make the men use protection, there are security guards and they are regularly tested for Sti's.

How is keeping it illegal and having it run by criminal gangs and violent pimps on the streets better?! Don't see your point at all...

On the vice girl thing. Do you mean "call girl" They tend to be the "higher class" prostitutes. They are still prostitutes though.

The woman Hue Grant went with was a street worker. Not high class at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Brown_(sex_worker)

Porn is fake? It is not love, true. But the people are still having sex for money. Prostitution is not about love, but having sex for money. Where is the difference?

In Amsterdam just about all of the brothels are within spitting distance of each other. That is a big factor in making them safer. The wider the aree for brothels then the harder it become to regulate. Amsterdam is not such a good example on the legalisation of Prostitution.

You've missed my point by about a mile. Maybe I should take the time to explain it in much easier to understand terms. Max Hardcore is a pornographer who makes films where he frankly abuses girls. Take a look at his wiki page to find out what a charmer he is. He hides behind the first amendment and his right to freedom of expression inorder to get away with this. What is to stop some clever but pervy entrepreneur taking advantage of lax prostitution laws to abuse women in a similar way. legalising prostitiution opens the flood gates. Where do the goverment draw the line between consentual sex and rape if prostitution is legal and girls are legally paid to have sex.

I already made the point that this would a very necessary step in the legalisation of prostitution. So who's going to pay for that? Surely the girls who work on the street are cheaper? If so then are they regulated? I doubt it. I fail to see the point in legalising prostitution only for the problem of illegal prostitution to still be around.

It's not better but legalising prostitution would cost too much, mean political suicide for whichever party proposed it and develop into a logisitical nightmare. Legalising protitution is a great idea in theory but the practice is unworkable.

Holland is a good example because it demonstrates how legalising prostitution has a positive affect. I looked up Max Hardcore and it appears he has been charged and his computers seized so I‘m not sure that was a good example. Even still, if one or two manage to work the system this is still preferable to the thousands who will abuse women as it is currently because the government has no control over prostitution.

With controls set on what you can and can’t do, it becomes easier for police to target the real bad eggs out there and not waste their time busting up men who are simply sleeping with prostitutes but are not abusing them- see this is a diversion of police time away from the more serious cases.

As for all the legal brothels being within spitting distance, how do you know this- have you visited them all?

Finally… how do you know the cost of legalising prostitution? Do you know how much the government and specifically police spend managing prostitutes as it is currently? I’m pretty sure having a structured system would reduce costs in the long run.

I also disagree that it’d be political suicide. It seems the majority of posters here understand how legalising prostitution could reduce abuse and I don’t think this would make them decide not to vote for that particular party…