Should the two James Bulger killers be in prison?
 

Feb 1993 in bootle, merseyside, a two year old boy leaves his mum side as she is in the butcher's. There he meets two evil 10 year old boys, Jon Venables and Robert Thompson. They killed the child for fun! Beaten the child to death to pass the time, even wanted to push another child under a bus to see what happens. Both evil vile scum of the earth killers are out of prison and living with new identities! Is that fair? Is that true justice for the murder of a small two year old boy who was loved by all? It seems like the evil killers are the victims!

killing a child for fun? :O

are they even humans

How the f have they been released?? Bastards!!

No, it's not justice. I remember this when it happened and I still say it's outrageous that those boys are allowed to lead an almost normal life after what they did, and their identities are protected. They've basically been given the legal right to sweep it under the carpet. They were released about 8 years after the crime.


Here's the wiki page on this subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

Human right laws only aply to the few... The wrong few! Justice?? What fking justice, i hope one day the two evil ***** are found! Then its justice!

The law in this country is a joke.

what they did will always haunt them......

totally agree made worse by the fact the country then goes onto give them new identities and protection etc

thats just not right!

I doubt they even care! To do what they did they dont have souls... Just pure evil! The law failed us and will continue to do so, drugs and not paying tax is seen as a worse crime :bored:

yerh...
and this is so wrong!

When you delve deeper though, you find that the law failed long before the boys killed.

Both boys were from destructive/abusive homes where they faced abuse and neglect every single day. Yet nothing was ever done to protect them from it. They showed signs of problems at school etc, and nothing was ever done to find out why. Have a good read at the wiki article I posted.

I'm not excusing or condoning their actions. However, once again, the social services failed to protect vulnerable children. In this instance those children turned into cold-blooded killers. In the instance of Baby P for example, the failure to protect led to him being killed.

So, you have to ask yourself if this could all have been prevented had someone actually sat up and took notice of the quality of life these boys had.

However, now that the deed is done, if it were up to me, they'd be behind bars for the rest of their lives. I think they're damaged, and I fear that one day they'll kill again.

They would kill if anybody knew what they did... But yeah its true what you say.

The law and the professionals are privy to information we are not

I always thought they tied him to a railway track?is this someone else I`m thinking of?

I'm sure the truth will come out one day.

Yes they did that and many other awfull acts to the two year old boy.

They took him on like a 5 mile walk and tortured him along the way by putting paint in his eyes and beating him up. Then they laid him down on the tracks so it would look like he had wondered off and got hit by a train.

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Anyway, no I don't think that the should still be in prison. I am not defending what they did by the way before I start this.
Anyone that says that these to men have normal lives now they are out of prison are wrong. They have to report to a probhation officer every week for the rest of their lifes. They are constantly changing identities. Don't get to make friends or have/see any family. They have restricted movements ect.
I don't think that you can put an 10 year old in prison for life and thats it. There are so many arguments against it. Can an 10 year old determine for themself what is right or wrong? Have they been abused, brought up very badly? Is it a childs fault they are brought up a certain way which leads to this horrific stuff? You have to look at the bigger picture, even though what they did was evil and disgusting you cannot put and 10 year old away for life. You just can't. No matter what.

10yr old not 8. And you have just defended them! :nono:

I haven't defended them. I have defended their case.

I see where you are coming from Hugo. You aren't defending them as such, but you are looking at the bigger picture.

It's very difficult to determine what is the right course of action. It's easy for me and others to sit here and say what we would do, but given the responsibility of that decision, maybe we would take into account the fact that they were so young and had such miserable lives prior to this.

It's also difficult for me (and probably others here) as a parent to forgive what they did, or to want anything good for them in light of what they did.

The people who make the decisions about the release etc, have to not make it personal. I can't do that.

Same thing! Plus both was nearly 11years old... Awww poor them. Sick!

Prison is pointless for people like them, they need to be taught a real lesson
I would like them to be tortured and killed, I wouldn't mind doing it.

Oh i see,i thought train tracks came into it somewhere I remember my mam telling me about James when I was very very young,He would have been my age now If he was still alive:sad:I really feel for his family,its a parents worst nightmare

Doesn't that make you as evil as they are though? It doesn't make it right. And, you'd have to live with it. Could you live with killing another, even if it was someone you deemed to be evil?

Todays criminal justice is a joke. There are too leanient at giving sentences, and the thing that makes me more mad is that once in jail, the prisoners think of it like a youth club - they get TV, Snooker tables, they have a laugh etc.

It shouldn't be like that at all, especially not TV's in their cells etc.
On the topic of this thread though, Its not right for those two to be on new identites. There was a known criminal in my town with a new identity a few years ago, but after a few months and many threats made, they moved the person on. It kind of shows we aint dumb and we shouldn't be giving criminals the right to live and work in our society where they could strike again.

Mary Bell was also given a new identity. Some of you may not be familiar with her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Bell

May be the should have hanged for the crime?

I'm sure a lot of the general public would go with that... an eye for an eye and all that.

And that achieves?

An eye for an eye only makes everyone blind - Mahatma Ghandi

I'm with you Sticks! ... I would have ripped Red a new one for comment like that... "eye for an eye" OMG.....

but you quoted Ghandi ... lol nice work

What they did was evil no question, however you have to ask yourself would Venables and Thompson have murdered James Bulger had they come from stable homes. As with a lot of deliquents from broken homes with violent Fathers they fail to distinguish between right and wrong. So the two boys' parents are just as much to blame for the death of James Bulger due to their failure as parents.

These two obviously have mental illness and borderline personality disorder. The prison system messes young kids up even more. It's an extremely sad situation, especially if they came from extremely abusive families. It all fits. These kids didn't even have a chance.

You would have to be EXTREMELY certain that they weren't a danger to society. I would say, keep them locked up until they were at least in their 30s. Getting out sooner, they are still growing, and that could make the outside world even worse for them and could make them end up straight back into prison. That isn't to say that if they were released in their 30s that they couldn't end up straight back into prison. But at least by your 30s, you're a person who has reached full set adulthood.

It's just extremely sad, and these cases are heartbreaking. I'm not sure if these two feel any remorse and anything period for that matter. They sound like extremely broken individuals with an extremely screwed up home life. Their families should also be locked up!

If they are extremely mentally debilitated, they may never be ready to see the outside world again. Who knows? Perhaps mental illness runs in the family, thus ensuring that their families were going to be abusive and destructive from the get go.

What these two did was inexcusable. But a ten-year-old is not rational. The brain is not fully developed. That's just a fact. They still need to pay for what they did though. What punishment is enough, I haven't the answer.

I'm not against giving them new identities if they ever get out though. They will most surely get killed by someone for what they did. If they pay their debt to society, they at least deserve to make a fresh start without being attacked for something they did when they were ten-years-old. They should probably just leave the country.

Not sure if this is the same baby, but the 2boys that stole a baby from the supermarket were released.

They beat the baby, threw bricks at it and eventually left it on a train track thats what i thought anyway.

The animals that killed James Bulger should have been put to death.

Justice by means of the death penalty leaves nobody blind as we only take the lives of those who have chosen to kill another human being, they pay the price for justice with there own life.

Simple, but it dont solve every problem, not that the death penalty claims to either.
However it does achieve more than the woefully inept procedure we have now, namely these animals being set free within 15 years!!! (oringinally the judge wished them 8 years in a secure hospital) It solves the problem of these killers being able to kill again, like so many so called lifers HAVE killed again after serving there LIFE sentance.

15 years for taking away 70+ years from a healthy 2 year old boy, and now 2 more heartless killers walk our streets, they could be your neibour (we have no right to know that).. till these bas*ards kill again.

Now how many would rather be alive and blind rather than perfectly sighted and seeing yourself or a loved one snatched, tortured and brutally killed and slung away like garbage on a railway line?

Can anybody forgive those that murder a loved one?

I'm sure they can, I could too,

its just I'd rather do my forgiving for them at there own funeral.
Better late, than never... I'm sure Ghandi said that too

Angiebabe, take an extra dosage, will ya?

They were ten. You want 10-year-olds put to death? :rolleyes:

Yes, killing another human being is going to bring another one back. Justice does not mean "evening the score". You simply don't seem to be mature enough to handle this topic. That's not justice.

pretty much 2 wrongs dont make a right you may feel better for a day or 2 but you still wont have your baby.

That's where I live.

Anyway, I think they should both be tortured.

thats made me feel uncomfortable!
10 or not, how can they even THINK of "KILLING" a person!
i mean they are 10, they must have been possesed or something!

you absolutely right! the mother of the person they killed will wake up in the morning and not be able to say good moring to her kids!