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BBkid 18-12-2008 08:16 PM

Will BB ratings keep on dropping?
 
BB9 was the lowest rated series ever but it was pretty good entertainment (moreso than BB8) but it had less than the previous year. Do you think that the ratings will keep on dropping no matter what?

SiaSiaSia 18-12-2008 08:16 PM

Probably

LemonJam 18-12-2008 08:17 PM

If they cut out all the nicey nicey housemates, I'd think they might raise again, but I doubt they would.

MarkWaldorf 18-12-2008 08:18 PM

Yeah, probably. There wasn't anything that risque with BB9 compared to other series, so it would have given less people a reason to tune in.

Spike 18-12-2008 08:20 PM

If CBB6 is a success then ratings will be up for BB10 maybe around the BB8 mark.
They were just down for BB9 because of the failure of BB8 and BB:CH

Scarlett. 18-12-2008 08:20 PM

Aye, until it is cancelled

andyman 18-12-2008 08:24 PM

Its always up and down but i doubt it will ever grab the public as it did in the early naughties... Then again good housemates and plenty of great new twists should see it thru, a revamp is needed same as Xfactor.. Maybe.

*mazedsalv** 18-12-2008 08:48 PM

Probably, you just never know with BB. It could go up, stay about the same, or just decrease largely to an average of 2m.

Hoping for it to get back to its 4m days.

*mazedsalv** 18-12-2008 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Spike
If CBB6 is a success then ratings will be up for BB10 maybe around the BB8 mark.
They were just down for BB9 because of the failure of BB8 and BB:CH
BBCH was seen as a success though...it averaged about 720,000, thats great for E4. Also the Russell Brand one got 950,000 viewers.

DamonJ 18-12-2008 08:56 PM

Hopefully.
Then it'll be axed.
Yipeee! =D

Novo 18-12-2008 08:59 PM

No

it will improve

next year it's the big milestone the 10th

BBkid 18-12-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by andy-dale-win
No

it will improve

next year it's the big milestone the 10th
I doubt that it will improve just because of the fact that it is the 10th year of BB, I think the launch show may get good ratings if it is heavily advertised as the 10th series but I would say that the overall average will drop.

30stone 18-12-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by andy-dale-win
No

it will improve

next year it's the big milestone the 10th
lol off topic but... Melina <33

Spike 18-12-2008 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
Quote:

Originally posted by Spike
If CBB6 is a success then ratings will be up for BB10 maybe around the BB8 mark.
They were just down for BB9 because of the failure of BB8 and BB:CH
BBCH was seen as a success though...it averaged about 720,000, thats great for E4. Also the Russell Brand one got 950,000 viewers.
How about the other 3million+ who didn't tune in who would have to CBB
No CBB in January angered many viewers and was one of the factors in losing their interest in the show.
It was a success for E4 but not for the brand

M X 18-12-2008 10:48 PM

They will probably drop unless we can really get good housemates, good tasks - like BB7.

Matt 21-12-2008 05:51 AM

I'm hoping Celebrity Big Brother may bring back a few viewers, but at the moment I think that they will keep dropping.

Channel 4 treat Big Brother like cr*p though. They constantly claim that they're proud of it, it's one of their best shows, etc. but they don't show it. Next year, they really need to improve the advertising, bring back the online live feed and increase the hours again on E4, and find a fixed timeslot for it.

The icing on the cake is that they still class Big Brother as a "factual entertainment" show. They don't seem to realise that the social experiment angle went out the door with Big Brother 4.

As for Endemol, they need to get some new ideas, and they need to give Little Brother and Big Mouth complete revamps.

BBkid 21-12-2008 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by Matt
I'm hoping Celebrity Big Brother may bring back a few viewers, but at the moment I think that they will keep dropping.

Channel 4 treat Big Brother like cr*p though. They constantly claim that they're proud of it, it's one of their best shows, etc. but they don't show it. Next year, they really need to improve the advertising, bring back the online live feed and increase the hours again on E4, and find a fixed timeslot for it.

The icing on the cake is that they still class Big Brother as a "factual entertainment" show. They don't seem to realise that the social experiment angle went out the door with Big Brother 4.

As for Endemol, they need to get some new ideas, and they need to give Little Brother and Big Mouth complete revamps.
Yeah, it's all up to C4 really.

*mazedsalv** 21-12-2008 09:48 AM

Im going to predict a 3 million average.

sazzzz 07-01-2009 10:28 PM

They need to pick some great characters this year its gonna be the hardest year so far for producers in terms of rating because if there low it could be axed so there gonna have to go all out to get the viewers back .I cant wait for bb10 i have a feeling this years is gonna be great!!:laugh: i love bb so much i dunno what i'd do without it!!! please don let it get axed :bawling:

30stone 07-01-2009 10:29 PM

This celebrity bb has started better than hi jack and cbb5 i think..

so hopefully it should go back up if it stays consistant this series.

Amaru 08-01-2009 07:27 AM

No matter how great future series are ratings will always slowly go downhill, the longer its on, the less people will watch it....so its common sense. Ratings will dip until the show is finally ended, there is no avoiding it. :shrug:

And BB9 sucked as a whole, i can see why it was the lowest rated series to date.

Red Moon 08-01-2009 10:03 AM

In a multichannel environment and with the introduction of mass freeview due to phasing out of analogue TV combined with the effect of the increased usage of the internet as a entertainment medium by the age group the programme aims to capture Channel 4 will never get the numbers of viewers it did for the show in the past. It will be looking at the share of the viewers it gets as a way of marking the shows success in future for this reason.

The commissioning editor of Channel 4, who commissioned the current series, said on the Radio recently that he didn't expect to get the audience numbers of the past series ever again, and went on to say that he was happy with the share of the audience they were getting and the show is still very important on the Channel 4.

So in terms of pure numbers I see the decline in the number of people watching the show will continue, however as long as it retains it's share of the viewing public then the show will go on.

Brekkie 08-01-2009 07:12 PM

That may have been true to an extent, but Big Brother bucked the trend for many years - and then lost all those viewers they'd held on to in one swoop during BB8.

The fact is most rival reality shows increased their audience last year - virtually all except for BB in fact, which despite an unquestionably improved series still lost viewers.

And that's not going to change until C4 stop worrying about the critics and start caring about the viewers again.

Wildcat! 08-01-2009 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Brekkie
That may have been true to an extent, but Big Brother bucked the trend for many years - and then lost all those viewers they'd held on to in one swoop during BB8.

The fact is most rival reality shows increased their audience last year - virtually all except for BB in fact, which despite an unquestionably improved series still lost viewers.

And that's not going to change until C4 stop worrying about the critics and start caring about the viewers again.
Since its fact, Which long running, rival reality shows have gained viewers?

Wildcat! 08-01-2009 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Quote:

Originally posted by Brekkie
That may have been true to an extent, but Big Brother bucked the trend for many years - and then lost all those viewers they'd held on to in one swoop during BB8.

The fact is most rival reality shows increased their audience last year - virtually all except for BB in fact, which despite an unquestionably improved series still lost viewers.

And that's not going to change until C4 stop worrying about the critics and start caring about the viewers again.
Since its fact, Which long running, rival reality shows have gained viewers?
Still waiting on the facts!

Red Moon 08-01-2009 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brekkie
And that's not going to change until C4 stop worrying about the critics and start caring about the viewers again.
That's a very valid point, the CCB 5 race row is still effecting the show and the producers clearly feel they have to re-establish the show again before they can let rip with the sort of housemates they had in the past. Lets hope that producers are confident enough after CBB 6 to let rip again with the show.

Although I don't haven't be able to find the audience share figures for BB8 or BB9, I would have thought that BB9 would have had a bigger share of viewers than BB8 night on night, although the numbers might have been down a little. If anyone can find the audience share figures I think they would add to the debate.

The days when the final pulls in an audience of 9 to 10 million, which happened on the final night of BB3, BB1 and BB5 are long gone. Even BB7 which people still go on about being the best fell short of the 9 million figure, although it was an improvement on BB6's final night. Audiences figures for the finals of BB8 and BB9 where well below the 6 million mark.

Looking into the type of audience Channel 4 has, one factor factor in all this has to be that channel 4 has always had the biggest share of the 16-to 34-year-olds that watch TV, and these are he people that moving away from TV to other forms of entertainment. As I mentioned before.

Locke. 08-01-2009 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Quote:

Originally posted by Brekkie
That may have been true to an extent, but Big Brother bucked the trend for many years - and then lost all those viewers they'd held on to in one swoop during BB8.

The fact is most rival reality shows increased their audience last year - virtually all except for BB in fact, which despite an unquestionably improved series still lost viewers.

And that's not going to change until C4 stop worrying about the critics and start caring about the viewers again.
Since its fact, Which long running, rival reality shows have gained viewers?
Still waiting on the facts!
I think X Factor and I'm a Celeb gained viewers

Red Moon 08-01-2009 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by David
I think X Factor and I'm a Celeb gained viewers
Both of those are on a different channel with a different type of audience base, that is part of channel problem, there audience is turning away from TV and when they do watch they are being more selective.

It's not really comparing like with like.

Wildcat! 08-01-2009 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David

I think X Factor and I'm a Celeb gained viewers
But Im a celebrity had about 14m vievers in the finale for 2004, compared to like 10 millions this year. ANd its has steadily dropped since, apart from a few daily increases here and there. BUt in general, it has lost viewers, just like most shows that have been running for years.

Tom 08-01-2009 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brekkie
That may have been true to an extent, but Big Brother bucked the trend for many years - and then lost all those viewers they'd held on to in one swoop during BB8.
It actually started much earlier than that- in CBB5. For the first week or so that only managed about 3m viewers and it wasn't until the race row that the viewing figures picked up, peaking at 8.8m with Jade's eviction. Even with the race row it could only manage an average of about 4.5m (not sure of the actual figure). Then it went back to sub-4m for BB8 and then BB9.

Its average is at about 3.6m atm (I think) which is what the BB9 officials average was. They seem to have stabalised around that. BB1-BB7 were all inbetween 4.4m and 4.7m with the exceptions of BB3/5, and BB8 onwards seem to have settled around the 3.5m mark and will probably stay that way for a while give or take a few hundred thousand per series.

Red Moon 08-01-2009 08:27 PM

I was trying to find a single source for the viewing figures of the finals but I couldn't. The best I can come up with are from a number of press sources, which shows the decline in the shows viewing figures, especially after CBB 5.

BB1 - 9.5 million
BB2 - 7 million
BB3 - 10 million
BB4 - 7.4 million
BB5 - 9 million
BB6 - 8 million
BB7 - 8.2 million
BB8 - 5.3 million
BB9 - 4.7 million

Interestingly CBB 5 had a final audience has just short of 11 million.

Still can't find the audience share figures for the finals or the average audience share over each series.

Red Moon 08-01-2009 09:26 PM

Fill in the blank..... I have found all the average viewing figures and audience share for all the main BB series, excluding BB7. Here they are:

Average audience share
* BB1: 4.7m/26 per cent share
* BB2: 4.6m/24 per cent share
* BB3: 5.8m/28 per cent share
* BB4: 4.6m/22 per cent share
* BB5: 5.0m/25 per cent share
* BB6: 4.4m/22 per cent share
* BB7:
* BB8: 3.5m/17 per cent share
* BB9: 3.2m/16 per cent share

I'll keep working on the figures for BB7

BTW - I was wrong about BB9 having a bigger share of the audience than BB8.... opps there goes my theory.....lol

*mazedsalv** 08-01-2009 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Red Moon
Fill in the blank..... I have found all the average viewing figures and audience share for all the main BB series, excluding BB7. Here they are:

Average audience share
* BB1: 4.7m/26 per cent share
* BB2: 4.6m/24 per cent share
* BB3: 5.8m/28 per cent share
* BB4: 4.6m/22 per cent share
* BB5: 5.0m/25 per cent share
* BB6: 4.4m/22 per cent share
* BB7:
* BB8: 3.5m/17 per cent share
* BB9: 3.2m/16.1 per cent share

I'll keep working on the figures for BB7
Those are the overnights.

The officials are:
BB5- 5.1m
BB6- 4.6m
BB7- 4.7m
BB8- 3.9m
BB9- 3.6m

So far CBB6 is averaging 3.5m in overnights, when the officials come out it could be 3.8m or over.

So BB10 could succeed if the producers put loads of work on advertising massively.

Red Moon 08-01-2009 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
Those are the overnights.
It doesn't say were they are from in the two articles figures come from. All it says is that they are averages over the whole run of the show with the exception of BB6 with doesn't include the final, which would push the average number of viewers up a little.

I am more interested in the audience share rather than the actual numbers of viewers, as I think these give a better picture about what is going on.

It would be even better if you could get them broken down further in age ranges and social groupings but find that information is going to be hard to find.

Brekkie 08-01-2009 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Quote:

Originally posted by Brekkie
That may have been true to an extent, but Big Brother bucked the trend for many years - and then lost all those viewers they'd held on to in one swoop during BB8.

The fact is most rival reality shows increased their audience last year - virtually all except for BB in fact, which despite an unquestionably improved series still lost viewers.

And that's not going to change until C4 stop worrying about the critics and start caring about the viewers again.
Since its fact, Which long running, rival reality shows have gained viewers?
Still waiting on the facts!
7 minutes - how patient.

Dancing on Ice, Britain's Got Talent, The Apprentice, Strictly, I'm a Celeb and The X Factor all saw their audience rise last year - and all of whom fall in the same category as Big Brother - or should do at least.

One problem is while a few years ago BB used to be thought of as above all the other trashy reality show, it's now considered to be one of the trashiest of the lot - and you've got to say production wise those others shows are head and shoulders above BB in virtually every aspect.


It's not about just what's on screen - I'm sure even if BB delivered it's greatest ever twist and it's most entertaining housemates this year, unless C4 lift a huge weight of the shows shoulders ratings are not going to improve.


Now, the show is never going to be hitting 7m a night again as it did in BB3, but it needs to be breaking the 4m barrier regularly, topping 5m for evictions and getting at least 6m for launches and finals.

Alot of people seem to think BB is untouchable due to C4's ratings the rest of the year - but in truth while C4 don't have too many programmes that top 4m viewers, they have got plenty that regularly get 3m, which cost a hell of alot less than BB too - and cause them less headaches too.

andyman 08-01-2009 09:45 PM

So BB3 holds the record? It is my fave, and GTA Vice City came out that year :lovedup:

Red Moon 08-01-2009 09:50 PM

Got the last one:

Average audience share

* BB1: 4.7m/26 per cent share
* BB2: 4.6m/24 per cent share
* BB3: 5.8m/28 per cent share
* BB4: 4.6m/22 per cent share
* BB5: 5.0m/25 per cent share
* BB6: 4.4m/22 per cent share
* BB7: 4.7m/25 per cent share
* BB8: 3.5m/17 per cent share
* BB9: 3.2m/16 per cent share

The BB7 figure comes from DS.... the poster has the same figures as I do for BB1 to BB6 and claims the figures are official.

(link to BB7 figure)

Brekkie 08-01-2009 10:10 PM

That looks about right as BB7 did see an increase on BB6.

Tom 08-01-2009 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by Brekkie
Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Quote:

Originally posted by Brekkie
That may have been true to an extent, but Big Brother bucked the trend for many years - and then lost all those viewers they'd held on to in one swoop during BB8.

The fact is most rival reality shows increased their audience last year - virtually all except for BB in fact, which despite an unquestionably improved series still lost viewers.

And that's not going to change until C4 stop worrying about the critics and start caring about the viewers again.
Since its fact, Which long running, rival reality shows have gained viewers?
Still waiting on the facts!
7 minutes - how patient.

Dancing on Ice, Britain's Got Talent, The Apprentice, Strictly, I'm a Celeb and The X Factor all saw their audience rise last year - and all of whom fall in the same category as Big Brother - or should do at least.

One problem is while a few years ago BB used to be thought of as above all the other trashy reality show, it's now considered to be one of the trashiest of the lot - and you've got to say production wise those others shows are head and shoulders above BB in virtually every aspect.


It's not about just what's on screen - I'm sure even if BB delivered it's greatest ever twist and it's most entertaining housemates this year, unless C4 lift a huge weight of the shows shoulders ratings are not going to improve.


Now, the show is never going to be hitting 7m a night again as it did in BB3, but it needs to be breaking the 4m barrier regularly, topping 5m for evictions and getting at least 6m for launches and finals.

Alot of people seem to think BB is untouchable due to C4's ratings the rest of the year - but in truth while C4 don't have too many programmes that top 4m viewers, they have got plenty that regularly get 3m, which cost a hell of alot less than BB too - and cause them less headaches too.
But they're guaranteed 3m+ every night for 93 days, well barring Saturdays but their Saturday's perform really badly anyway, most of the time not even breaking 1m. Its great value for money considering the 16-34 year olds it attracts and the amount of airtime it gets. It doesn't matter how well a show performs, its the 16-34 year olds that advertisers are interested in, and Big Brother consistently finishes in the top 3 every day, most of the time first. It also regularly wins its slot. According to IBB, with officials almost all of the evictions topped 4m with the second shows adding almost 2m onto the overnight figure during BB9.

Yes it might be down but it still performs incredibly well and better than people give it credit for.

Inside Big Brother have ratings for all series' if anyone is interested.

WATERS 08-01-2009 10:45 PM

Maybe


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