Racism in BB10?
 

About 10/15 days into the show, Noirin was talking about why she didn't like fellow black contestant Cairon, but she thought she would when she first seen him in the house stating that they were the same colour, that they'd got something in common.

In the live nominations, contestant Marcus said of Sree:
"he insulted my culture, and i took that to mean, like the English culture, and i'll never forgive him for that".
http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...a1fec8/play.c4 (after the advert).
Does anyone know what Sree said to racially offend Marcus?

Last week Marcus mimicked Sree's accent in a spiteful way.

Yesterday on BBLB, an asian contestant from BB2? spoke about something she did in the past, saying she was "doing it for the asian girls".


All this racism, and no petitions or protests. Why did Endamol/Channel4 think it was ok to broadcast this racism, especially after they were warned about airing such content from the broadcasting people whoever they are.

I have asked this question over and over. I can still remember Marcus nominating Sree during the live nominations and I paid particular attention to his reasons. He deffo said that Sree offended his culture and I also took this to mean the English way of life. I have begged the question as to why BB did not show this on the HL show(s) what Marcus was refering to. To this day I am still puzzled. Sree took great offence to Marcus for insulting the way he (Sree) talks (in broken English) and Sree tried to use the race card issue. Now I would love to know what Sree said that Marcus took great offence to.

Didn't Sree say that he might employ Marcus as a servant as something? More class-ist than racist...someone said Sree called him a "white bastard" in Hindi, but I don't know if Marcus speaks Hindi.

I thought Marcus sounded racist when he made the "he insulted my culture and I can't forgive him for that", because only a racist would actually care that much about "his" culture. Culture seems pretty abstract to me, or so general it means nothing. If I say to a Cornish person that "their" pasties taste like **** does that count? People talk of cultural melting pots yet try to claim distinct boundaries. You could say that Marcus lives in a "Collectors Culture", or a "Porn Users Culture". Both Sree & Marcus look like idiots to me. In fact the whole house does. And this forum. We Idiot Brothers & Sisters should come together and stop the disharmony, we live in the BB house, the housemates live within us, love everyone. Let Sree & Marcus suck each others cocks in joy. Let Freddie strap one onto Lisa and show her how to love him. Let Karly smile.

Sorry got carried away.

Get that twat Kris out. He has no culture to insult.

A lot of Racism is low impact Racism and there is no reason to believe it would be offensive to someone, given that Racism is about offense caused, and not words used, i don't think complaints should be made

For instance if i as a half English half Nigerian say i'm doing it for the Nigerians out there, then i would not believe i was offending English people because they are in the magority, i am a minority, i would expect them to understand why i am saying it, technically maybe it is Racist i dont really know, but i would have first reached the conclution, rightly or wrongly English people would not and should not be offended by that.

A lot of Racism is like that. I honestly think discussion of this topic is needed in the wider society so the PC crap that we saw BB going through with Marcus over the Sree incident can be wound down. It's utterly useless and just serves to victimize people like Marcus, who clearly disliked the person Sree, not his Race Indian

Didn't Marcus refer to Rodrigo's Latin temperament the other day. Just stirring. That just strikes me as a lazy thing to say, like "primordial soup" or "conspiracy theory".

racism
my ar*e

The racism is BB10 is anti-English racism.

Freddie's manner of speaking has been ridiculed.
Slimey Sree said something anti-English that made Marcus nominate him.

How is Kris, Charly taking the piss out of Freddie's accent Racist

And what little spermboy Sree said to Marcus, was a class based insult not Race based

Racism is a specific term and does not describe anything insulting, seperate and evaluate, before writing garbage imo

To use your logic, billions of people who like their culture are racists?

I think the only person in that house to be "racist" which is a harsh description was Sree.. I ***** hate little ***** playing the race card I really do.. It's wrose than the sympathy vote.. People are mimicking Freddie every other day on his accent & no-one has said anything (I notice you seemed to have over looked this as well).. In Marcus' words, what a load of complete and utter bollox!

Actually I think taking the piss out the way someone speaks is worse but of course it's not racist! Racist and bullying are 2 terms that aer used way to flippantly and it makes me wanna barf!

So only the majority English/white people can be racist for saying something like that? Is that fair? Why should the non English/non whites be goiven preferential treatment? Inequality, this causes unrest.

A white person from a recent BB show would be scared stiff to say im doing it for white people, but its ok for an asian girl.

Rodrigo tried to use the racist card on Charlie the other day, Charlie put him right, but it just goes to show you how white people can be accussed unfairly in 2009. Infact, Siavash told Sree off about 10 days ago for similar, saying it gives them a bad name, well done Siavash.

I think Marcus is more likely to be sympathetic to Racist organisations such as the BNP after his telling off by BB.

He felt victimized for disliking Sree, who happened, coinsidently, to be Indian.

PC crap 0
BNP 1

Mentioning race or racial characteristics is NOT racism.

None of what you just said is racism.
Norin saying she had something in common with Cairon because he's black isn't racist, she wasn't saying anything offensive. Mimicking someone's accent isn't racist, they do it to Freddie all the time.

It really irritates me how if anyone says anything about culture people jump up and are ohhh racist, get a grip.

How is Kris, a Englishman ridiculing fellow Englishman's Freddie manner of speaking, anti-english racism?

Without knowing exactly what Marcus meant by "insulted my culture" we arrive quickly in the Land of Hearsay & Conjecture, a culture I have much fondness for. What he said just had an indignant "air" of racism around it.

Do millions of people actually like their culture? If you include people who disagree with their mainstream media choices, who don't like school, or their system of government? Or complain that the roads have too many cars, or that young people don't know how easy they have it? Or that Coke vs Pepsi vs Happy Shopper Cola doesn't look like much of a choice? Does Morris Dancing count as an meaningful aspect of British Culture or do you see it as an outdated hybrid import only enjoyed by sad freaks?

Well this is the nub really isn't it.

If a English person said it, his agenda would be unclear, surrounded by other English people he is favouring the majority, the reason why is unclear to me

Either

1.He wants to show support to the already well supported.

or

2.He wants to exclude the minority

If i, a Nigerian we're to say it, wouldn't my agenda be clear?
Would you not understand that i am showing support for the minority.

I do see a problem here though, it suggests Nigerians need support, from one another, which i can see may annoy the Majority. So i may need to think on a bit.

No one has yet mentioned, to my knowledge, the North/South divide in the house. Foreign nationals can in theory join either group, but other factors will influence this.

South
Marcus, Siavash, Cairon (London based)

Midlands & North
Lisa, Kris, Sophie, Charlie, Karly, Rodrigo (Hollyoaks set in Cheshire!)
(Saffia?)

Outcast Freddy comes from Shropshire (only a few miles from Kris) but talks like a Southerner which makes him a Traitor in the eyes of the M&N group.

Noirin has floated.

agreed

white britains are constantly called racist for things they say or do, but if non white people do the same, nothing is done about it.

i hate the inequality of the whole thing!! doing or saying something is either racist or not. there should be no grey area

Why is it ok for a black person to use the N word on themselves (Victor did it on one of the BB series in the DR and refered to himself as 'the N King.') But if a white person says it, it then becomes an issue?

Racism is not an action, it is an Intention this is what people don't get

It is fair to assume that a Black person is not being Racist if he uses the N word ( as stupid as this practice is)

It is not fair to assume the same if a white person uses the word, thats not to say the girl who used it in the presence of Charly in BB 7(i think) was being Racist she so was not, you could see what her intention was, but people judge the action and call it Racism WRONG

I get your point but don't you think that when a black person uses the N word they are being disrespectful to their ancestors who suffered terrible abuse during the slavery days? After all, the N word was banded about and used in a very derogatory manner. If a white person uses it then I think it is totally wrong because of the connotations but I just don't understand why black people use it knowing the suffering that went on.

If say Kris said, Charlie is white like me, ive got something in common with him, i'll be able to get on with him, you wouldn't think thats racist?

I don't mind you showing support for the minority, but in an equal society, the majority people should be allowed to do the same.

Maybe we should all be allowed to show our pride in our own culture/colour etc without fear of being accussed of racism for doing so, equality.

Me neither. The justification offered by a small number of Black people using it is that, it softens the words painful conitations, sort of re-defines the word in a way that makes it a positive word rather than a negative. One reason i dislike 50 Cent and other rappers like him is because they Bastardizes the word in this way. Trouble is because they are on TV 24/7 the message comes across it is now an accepted term of endearment between Black people. It is not at all, just as the term whoa to discribe a Female is not, or Biatch or......

well you see my point

The midlands is the same distance from the north as it is Londinia. Isn't Freddie from Hertfordshire?
If Londinia is south, whats Southampton :banana:

this is what annoys me

she was making an observation. she's black and so is he. she may have thought that he's had the same kind of upbringing/backround as her, faced the same issues as her. possibly the same negativity she may have by being black growing up.

if i moved to somewhere else and met another scottish person, i'd like to think i'd have a connection with them coz we had something in common

just like most people with red hair will have had the same issues growing up.

she shouldn't be branded as being racist because she made a slight generalisation and thought they had something in common

it's double standards. how can they justify using the n word by saying they're 'redefining' it to be possitive. if that were the case, why should non-blacks not be allowed to say it??

remember when jennifer lopez caused uproar by using it in the same 'redefined' way to describe puff daddy?? she apologised for it. she shouldn't have. but then, people came out and said it was ok for her to use the word because she too was from a minority. just terrible!! basically saying everyone but white people can say it!! it doesn't make sense!!

It's double standards and all so wrong.

It makes sense if you know the history of the word and you clearly dont. Why dont you try and understand why white people cant say it instead of simply demanding your right to say the word?

I want to agree, but in today's society, it is deemed racist if say Kris had said it. We can't have rules for non whites and different rules for whites, doesn't how much of a minority you are.

Maybe we need to change the mind set of the politicians and those around them to stop accussing white people of liking their colour?

In a sensible society, Noirin, Marcus, Sree a Chinesse man etc shouldn't be attacked for loving themselves.
As long as they don't flaunt it in my face :cheer2:

Its double post :wink:

no it doesn't make sense!! why is it ok for black people to use that word?? it shouldn't be used at all. if it's offensive for one person to say it, it should be offensive for anyone to say it.

people like you are maintaining the divide between black and white. something that the majority of people want to stamp out

and as for knowing the history of the word, one would have to have been living under a rock not to know it. my god

If you know the history then why dont you understand why its such a touchy subject? And, why someone shouldn't simply demand their right to use it?

Winge winge winge always with the race card.. At the end of the day it's dangerous being white these days because it's so simple for someone to use the race card on ya! What a pile of wank! We get called names against our skin colour all the ffeckin time and sure the Irish (moi) get a right slagging but we think it's funny.. Such a pity that people have gotta be so careful with what they say these day as everything gets twisted, manipulated and disected into something it never was meant to be..

but you yourself have said some people have the right- only black people. and by saying that you are discriminating against ALL non-black races!!

i don't think it should be used at all because of what it means and it just pisses me off that one person can say it and be loved for saying it, and another hated for saying it just because of the colour of their skin. now THAT is racism

Marcus definitely holds some muted prejudices. Against both other cultures and members of the opposite sex. It's typical of people who lack an understanding of others and struggle to put themselves in somebody else's shoes.

You seem to be forgetting that Black people aren't one voice, with one united direction, and all agree with each other, any more than White people are. Call some Women "Love" and they will take no offence, but a minority will. Jenny Lopez felt it was acceptable to call Puffy that and she did, presumably because she knew that Puffy would not take offence, but saying it publicly opens up a whole new can of worms. As soon as she said it in a public forum she opens herself up to criticism from anyone that reads/hears it. I personally did not take offence at it, i just thought oh no hears another celeb trying to re-define a very ugly word.

You can't see why this subject is not Black and white but grey,

Racism is ultimitly about Intention not Action. Therefore in order to know if someone is Racist we have to judge there intentions, unfortunetly, it is not possible to judge directly someone elses intention, therefore we are forced to judge there actions and infer there intention. An inferrence is best guess, Best guess is = They could intend this, or that, or they other = Grey

Does that make any sence?