Beas Rant-Finally Someone In BB With a Brain
 

Beas rant about about the fantasy world people are encouraged to exist in was the first time this year anyone has expressed a reasonably intelligent opinion.For that she has been branded pretentious.Maybe people would rather listen to the inane witterings of Sophie,Rodrigo and Charlie.Or Davids escapades around various car boot sales.

Ye it was a good chat they had

As Bea said if you try and have an intelligent conversation in there David will interupt and start talking about Yorkshire puddings.

Bea was WRONG about there not being ALIENS though......she is one te he :tongue:

Dont think she's gonna stop the debate on that somehow.Bea's just waiting for the chance to drop some conspiracy theories on this lot which I,for one,am looking forward to.

Larkin got there first

Yes an awesome chat infact! :thumbs:

Such an exploringly intelligent conversation and the way it went from science-fiction towards it's connection with basic social dynamics was fascinating.

They must have chatted for over 2 hours together.

Shame Bea and Halfwit had a fall out when Bea went to bed, Halfwit creeping her out and putting his foot in the mud, so to speak! Not good ...

I enjoyed it, from what i saw. Thems the sort of chats with a bevvy i like to have :spin2: Although i only caught the tail end of it. :( My pc is in the kitchen, my tv is in the living room. I can't watch and type dammit! :sad:

It was over 2 hours long, shame you disn't watch it!

It basically went from a discussion on science fiction, then gradually moved towards a discussion about how people live their lives in a brainwashed state, then social dynamics and how it links to all of that.

Bea focused on science fiction being pointless, people need to get out more and actively work towards a better reality, screens etc are harming people more than doing them good, it could be a conspiracy by the government to distract people from the real goings on.

Marcus combatted this by saying that not everyone is accepted socially by others to even go out and have fun etc, and that screens at least offer an avenue for nerds/geeks/losers/loners to express themselves and interact through a medium. He said that there's always been people like this (isolated), but technology now enables us to be more aware (and stereotyping!) of them. He also says that technology, science-fiction etc also ties in to human's wiring to be progressive, advance in intelligence and ultimately to not be bored! He said tigers are becoming extinct, significantly due to apathy and boredom re-production.

Very interesting, loved it, awesome! :thumbs:

Some incredibly valid points from Marcus, although unsure about tigers as an example. I hope i'll be able to watch some more of these late night chats, but i think Bea may be nominated and saying goodbye this week.

I agree it was one of the best televised discussions they had.

Bea had a point about western civilization being apathetic to the plight of others.

However blaming it all on science fiction didn't sit well with Marcus.

I hope they continue it another night.

I'm not sure he clarified his point on tigers.

Maybe he was getting at the fact we feel the way we do is because of evolution.

Its in our nature to surround ourselves with distractions and entertainment.

I didn't see it all so i can't really voice an opinion. I really wish i could!! :sad:
It's an epic topic to cover though. There are so many angles to come from as to why we are the way we are. education, diet, social are just a handfull, and theres already a couple of hours worth just touching those bases. I saw that Bea was exhausted and had to go to bed. Maybe they'll carry it on tonight. :spin2:

bea is quite unstable, psychotic, dumb, stupid, ill educated, i haven't heard anything intelligent from her mouth, her ramblings have no substance.

Well said, that man/ woman!!


To add to the above, she is an inverted snob, she claims to be a woman of the people, bohemian in outlook with hippy friends. She looks down on everyone in there and why?

I guess it must be she is half way through a psychologist training and it's given her illusions of grandeur, and positions way above her station in life.

The problem with a little bit of knowledge in the wrong hands, it can be extremely dangerous. She is a prime example of this. I will only go on to reiterate a previous post, anyone stands up to her, she caves in, or tries to shout over them, usually the latter when she thinks she has the upper hand intellectually. When the opposition is more erudite, her voice breaks into a quivering dual tone, etched with a combination of fear and disbelief that someone should have the temerity to offer a more sensible and plausible opinion.

There's nowt wrong with YORKSHIRE PUDDINGS!:mad:

Me and david would have chatted about that till eviction night:xyxwave:

:love: this sentence.

stupid bitch thinks no one has landed on the moon yes your right she's got a brain it's a pity it's up her ass:wavey:

EYY lad ,i will bleddy well join thi !!

I wish I was there discussing this with them, because I think I would have been a nice intermediary in terms of where I sit on the continuum.

The thing is, there's a contradiction with Bea; she highlights that people don't care about these loners/nerds etc and just accept that they are locked way on their screens, and that we should try and encourage/bring about more social interactions, better lives, etc.

BUT: If people did that in the first place, people wouldn't be locked away. So her 'consideration' and 'care' to resolve this dilemma, could actually be considered a form of ridicule/tease/taunting.

e.g.) You contribute to someone being isolated, but you then criticize/comment on/have low regard for the way they live their life; it's like a doubled effect of kicking them into the ground. It's also negative affirmation: "I can't fit in, and they also hate the way I live ... so we really have nothing in common and they are agianst me and the way I am. They aren't accepting."

I hope you get what I've said above, because it's something that neither seemed to really pick up on. It's like a circular problem.

Marcus picked up on social seperation and survival of the fittest; there's always nerds/loners/geeks who aren't accepted, so the internet/movies/screens are an avenue for these types to become pre-occupied with and to interact through.

You're exaggerating there, I know she's overly confident and thinks she's cleverer than she is. But she does make good points, is articulate and is very cunning. But I do agree, she does 'miss the boat at times', proverbially speaking. Marcus is cleverer IMO.

I liked Bea to start with. Now I'm not so sure. She's very self-assured, and that's not always a bad thing, but she never entertains for one moment the notion that she might be wrong. About anything. And she often is.

A lot of it is barriers I think, mental barriers. Like Marcus has his barriers up to delude himself into thinking he's always correct and dominant. This is to protect himself form the painful truth.

With Bea, she also has barriers; to delude herself into believing she's a really good natured, lovely person who is very intelligent and rarely wrong.

She never picked up on the fact that nerds/loners/geeks become like they do and into sci-fi, because they're rejected from society to begin with.

Marcus didn't, or didn't say this at least (to not come across as a victim? Meh), but that was the thing that struck me from the convo.

She pinpoints these people, instead of thinking about the bad in those who influenced/caused/participated in the becoming of their ways.

I am absolutely all for some more intelligent conversations in the house, and initially loved Bea for providing that. However, my problem with her now is the tone she has adopted of superiority and that her view is the only view and everyone else is talking rubbish. I really object to this and being so closed she is not as intelligent as I once thought she was, although I do accept she has raised the level of conversation since her arrival. Her conversations now resemble lectures sometimes. Marcus was very good during that chat btw, I argued reasonably, calmly and intelligently. Charlie could not cope with the conversation at all and retired to bed :laugh:

Unfortunately Bea made some silly generalisations and assumptions and refuses to budge from these stereotypes. There is also the irony of her being in a house which stands for so much of what she was arguing against.

I'm pretty sure I get it.

Like, a person has been isolated from society, and instead of just accepting that and seeing that a new online communty has been created and that they are part of.

Her solution is to make them return to the very society that isolated them.