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What y'all have to say about this image?

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I just came across this and I showed it to a few Christians that I know and they had no response at all.

I think a wheel like this can apply to all religions not just christianity

Religion is just away of controlling people

I'm at the point in my life where blind faith is simply not enough. I need concrete evidence to show that something does exist before I start patterning my life after a religion.

[rquote=2626655&tid=148542&author=BBUK4LYFE]What y'all have to say about this image?

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I just came across this and I showed it to a few Christians that I know and they had no response at all.

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This is what it should read........




The Bible is the word of MAN

The Bible is a big lie

The Bible is dangerous to mental health

Some ok stories in that old book..

a load of codswallop
never the less, the bible is a good read

[rquote=2627618&tid=148542&author=wannashag]a load of codswallop
never the less, the bible is a good read[/rquote]

true

I think religion is what you make of it, Blind faith is never good because if god exists he gave us free will to make our own conclusions. Religion helps people through tough times so I'm not against it but blind faith never leads to anything remately good.

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I just came across this and I showed it to a few Christians that I know and they had no response at all.
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Obviously they had no training in apologetics and Christian evidences.

This is the long version, in fact it is an e-book which I challenge you to look through.

Shorter version

Any book can make what ever claim it likes, but can thos claims be substantiated. While not being a text book the Bible makes various statements about the world, which were not discovered by modern science since fairly recently. (A sample of them are in that link)

How could the writers know, without divine inspiration?

Now one thing you have to know about the Bible is that it is actually a collection of sixty six books, written in more than one language, by several people from all walks of life over several centuries.

Yet it all fits together.

The Old Testament came together by the first century CE, and the New Testament with in a very short time compared to other historical documents.

If you look at various prophecies with in the various books, you find an amazing amount of prophecy fulfilment. One author names a specific person, several years before he ascends a throne.

And as for the Messianic prophecies, try fulfilling all of them, even to deciding where to be born.

We believe the Bible to be the word of God, not only because it tells us, but also because the things it says about the world not known until recently and the fulfilled prophecy contained with in. This points to it's divne inspiration which substantiates the claim.

All done without circular reasoning.

Constanine the Great is the man! Sticks knows that..

The Bible was just what they thought of things back then they weren't scientists so not everything is what you would call fact but we can still believe the bible, just in a different way.

Over to Bill Hicks...

''Christianity. Fascinating religion. You must understand God has infinite love, and you MUST believe this. Or your going to hell. HAHAHAHAHA!''.

There is something out there. No way your mind was created by chemical chance alone. Give yourselves a little more credit.

Just don't let Religion destroy your faith. It's still possible to believe and love a God concept without the strength in numbers cult aspect of organized religion.

My god does not judge. My god is one based purely on infinite love. Do people really still believe in the devil? What could oppose God's will?

God is in everything. We don't even know what we are. We have no hope of ever understanding reality or god. We could be one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. Wheres the proof that the life your living is as straightforward as it seems just because that's what your used to? Is green grass really green? Why do other mammals see it in different colors? What does this world actually look like from an outside perspective when out brain does not process or limit the information?

The Bible teaches not to ... well ... get the horn for another woman. None of us can help this. The Bible contradicts itself numerous times. It's simply too big, too crude, and written by too many people to be taken seriously. God condemns ALL of us to sin then sends a Jewish zombie to save us from the sin HE condemned us to in the first place?

Umm ... huh?

If it's the word of God, why do some passages describe the earth as being flat? Is the christian god mentally disabled?

There are hundreds of prophecies in the Bible. Some set out in the most mundane, open to interpretation and fulfillment way imaginable.

Most people just dig the whole communal feel of dogma. It's like living in fantasy. It's ... well ... like being a Jedi.

Anybody can set about fulfilling and writing prophecy. Especially in the ye olde days. Write down the name of an individual, the location of his birth, and what he would do with his life. Then somebody, either the individual himself or a few writers who are either naive or deceitful, 'fulfills' the prophecy. Voila.

Who exactly recorded what Jesus said in the garden before he was betrayed? I thought all the apostles were asleep?

Here is the killer : If God is so merciful, and if he is such a clearly egotistical bastard in need of attention, and if he wants to save us all, why on earth cant he just send Jesus down again to perform miracles when we have camcorders to document it? He is God. He can ... do stuff. His not David fricken Blaine. The whole world would believe. God could fill us up with something RIGHT NOW if he wanted if he were so infinite. He could tick something off in our minds. We would notice it.

Yet nothing. Nothing at all. God indeed works in mysterious ways. And if you think there was only one Jesus, I have extreme pity for you.

If that is the case why has every attempt to produce life in the laboratory failed. Even the likes of Fred Hoyle, one time Astronomer Royal criticised this bankrupt theory of Spontaneous Generation?

Who are you angry with, particular denominations or God. Your previous comment about life arising from chemicals seems to indicate you have a great faith in that concept.

But some people oppose God as well. God Allows that due to allowing this thing called Free Will. According to certain Jewish myths, God also gave free will to angelic beings, one of whom was Satan, who later chose to use it to rebel. If you look at Job 1:1 you find Satan came along with the angels, indicating he was a angel, but I digress

That doctrine is known as pantheism

This sounds very much along the lines of René Descartes

Care to back that up with specific examples instead of hand waving?

And yet as I mentioned before they all fit together. The fact there have been so many who wielded the pen should give it more authority as it is not the machinations of one individual, like certain other religigious texts through the centuries have been.

To be pedantic, Man stands condemed because of his own sin. People exercised their free will and ended up in sin of their own volition. God did not put them there.

Why do you call Jesus a zombie? You can tell in the Garden of Gethsemane he asked if there was any other way than the cross, but out of his own volition chose to do God's will.

Once again care to back that up with an example?

I can cite a scripture that says the Earth is round

The word used for circle in Hebrew is Kug, meaning a ball or a sphere, so here the writer is saying God sits above the ball of the Earth, hardly the bible teaching that Earth is flat.


Read Isaiah 53, hardly as whooly as implied. Compare that to the life of Jesus and it is very specific. A lot of these prophecies are fulfilled within the scripture and not just the Messianic ones. Compare them to the so called writings of Nostrodamus they are hardly ambiguous like his quatrains are.

So some contend, something comes from nothing, non-living gives rise to living and unconscious gives rise to conscious and we are living in a fantasy world?

As for communal living etc, humans are social annimals, could there be a reason for that?

I already told you I believe in a God concept.

Religion. Your ultra specific, lurid Christian god. Men using the god hypothesis as a tool to judge others and undermine the rights of women [Old Testament, anyone?].

A bit like giving a mass murderer a knife in one hand, and a gun in the other, while telling him ''now don't do anything nasty, lad!''.

Your illustrating your faults by having to narrow things down to doctrines. I am well aware of Pantheism. There are also a dozen other systems of belief with the exact same structure, only under different names. I believe in a cosmic life force, for sure. Not a man in the clouds, but *a* God. I don't need a label for that.

Yep, enjoy some of his work. Not all, but some.

It's obvious beyond belief. I have no specific quotes, but just by opening it there are numerous flaws. If God is so merciful, why do we have to fear him? What about all the other unfulfilled prophecies? What about love thy neighbor, but judge him? Then judge not? THEN we have Christians for the death penalty? Did ''thou shalt not kill'' have a footnote or something?

Here, knock yourself out :

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...adictions.html

Of course they do. It was an ongoing body of work written mostly by men who BELIEVE in the work. Previous books would influence the next.

Simply a reference, in simple everyday English, to the resurrection.

I thought he WAS God? Why is he described as God one minuet, his son the next?

Sure thing...

http://www.google.ie/#hl=en&source=h...2dd1507c58deba

Have fun with all of that. You cant deny certain passages allude to the earth being flat and confirm the Bible's HUMAN style of writing from a ye olde, HUMAN perspective.

What about the stars raining down upon the earth? Mentioned in Revelations, I believe, as well as other books. Of course we now know stars are not, in fact, tiny little white dots in the sky. The more you know.

Of course it is, that's because the people who scribed the life of Jesus READ and BELIEVED in the prophecies! And hence either intentionally or subconsciously shaped Jesus' life to perfectly fit that model!

Besides, ever hear of chance? Especially in a world where people were claiming to be Messiahs every single day?

Obviously. We have cognition. Thought. Emotion. Language. We write history and communicate ideas. Do I need to go on? That is not proof of your ultra specific, Christian god. The one who believes Homosexual act amounts to sin, yet God created love?

Now then, I am waiting for the man to come down and clear this matter up. Until then, I am not living by a dog earned, dark age text written, changed, written and changed again by dozens of men.

The basic premiss of that wheel is wrong. The Bible simply does not tell us, it demonstrates through eyewitness accounts, prophesy that is proved (time and time) true and archaeological evidential support as well as an avalanche of manuscript support. 2000 years later from the birth of Christ and noone has ever even remotely come up with a decent argument against the very basics of Christianity - hence the number of adherents across the globe.

What? lol Try again...

read the Bible and get back to me

I am not quite sure if you are even serious or not lol But anyway, what do you mean by the basics of Christianity?

The life and resurrection of Jesus

What about it?

pray tell us lol

is the very basic of Christianity (something I am beginning to suspect you have little grasp of)

lol, as you would say

Hmmm, you mean the basis that borrowed off other Middle Eastern Religions at the time? Ok then.