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InOne 09-01-2010 05:26 PM

Can an omnipotent God create a rock so heavy he can't lift??
 
Well?

Sticks 09-01-2010 05:57 PM

This is the same as could God create a square circle, a logical absurdity

Tom 09-01-2010 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 2852931)
This is the same as could God create a square circle, a logical absurdity

Its not, because creating a stone thats too heavy to lift IS a possibility

setanta 09-01-2010 08:56 PM

Yep, it's called Marcus. I just had a flashback to six months ago there, sorry.

InOne 09-01-2010 09:11 PM

Nice to see that 'When will IloveDC come back' got more replies than this. Guess i'm dealing with idiocy.

setanta 09-01-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2854306)
Nice to see that 'When will IloveDC come back' got more replies than this. Guess i'm dealing with idiocy.

What's the story with you Joseph? In a fouler or something?

BB_Eye 10-01-2010 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2853075)
Its not, because creating a stone thats too heavy to lift IS a possibility

Not for an omnipotent being it isn't.

InOne 10-01-2010 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by setanta (Post 2854319)
What's the story with you Joseph? In a fouler or something?

Nah, god know what I was expecting from a BB forum lol

InOne 10-01-2010 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 2854382)
Not for an omnipotent being it isn't.

Well said, ergo - god is impossible.

InOne 10-01-2010 03:36 AM

It's an old argument, but not heard any argument to refute it ever.

BB_Eye 10-01-2010 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2854386)
Well said, ergo - god is impossible.

Nothing all-powerful could diminish its own power. From the same a priori reasoning, nothing perfect could be nonexistant. It would be an imperfection.

InOne 10-01-2010 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 2854395)
Nothing all-powerful could diminish its own power. From the same a priori reasoning, nothing omnipotent could be nonexistant. It would be an imperfection.

Which leads to the idea that a god itself is pretty much a contradiction.

BB_Eye 10-01-2010 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2854400)
Which leads to the idea that a god itself is pretty much a contradiction.

Only an empirical contradiction, not a logical one and pure logic exists independently of our senses. I would argue, as some others might, that the statement that God exists is every bit as true as the proposition that a triangle always consists of three sides.

InOne 10-01-2010 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 2854406)
Only an empirical contradiction, not a logical one and pure logic exists independently of our senses. I would argue, as some others might, that the statement that God exists is every bit as true as the proposition that a triangle always consists of three sides.

Not the Humans perception of God, or the God of Religion, you are touching at Deism there.

Jords 10-01-2010 09:42 AM

If Im understanding it properly, yeah.

You can make a small snowball, and pick it up, put keep rolling that snowball so it gets bigger and bigger, then you cannot.

arista 10-01-2010 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 2852931)
This is the same as could God create a square circle, a logical absurdity


Sticks


Slap your self into the Real World



There Is No God
Utter Fact.

Tom 10-01-2010 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 2854382)
Not for an omnipotent being it isn't.

Theres no such thing because either way with the scenario it results in something he can't do. Therefore God is not omnipotent.

InOne 10-01-2010 02:04 PM

It a realistic sense, it is impossible to be omnipotent.

Crimson Dynamo 10-01-2010 03:14 PM

First, there is a problem with the premise of the question. While it is true that God can do anything that is consistent with His nature, it is absurd to suggest that He can do everything: God cannot lie (Heb. 6:18), He cannot be tempted (James 1:13), and He cannot cease to exist (Ps. 102:25–27). Furthermore, just as it is impossible to make a one-sided triangle, so it is impossible to make a rock too heavy to be moved. What an all-powerful God can create He can obviously move. Put another way, God can do everything that is logically possible. Finally, we should note that a wide variety of similar questions are raised to undermine the Christian view of God. Thus, it is crucial that we learn to question the question rather than assuming the question is valid.


Bible Answer man
volume 1

lily. 10-01-2010 03:15 PM

MY OPINION:

There is no god.
There are rocks.

Shaun 10-01-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2855605)
What an all-powerful God can create He can obviously move.

And therefore he cannot create what he cannot move - which is the paradox.

Crimson Dynamo 10-01-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lili (Post 2855608)
MY OPINION:

There is no god.
There are rocks.

I would imagine that the god that you do not believe in did not exist in the first place.

Crimson Dynamo 10-01-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 2855616)
And therefore he cannot create what he cannot move - which is the paradox.

there is no paradox, the question is simply invalid. Your assumption of a valid question is incorrect.

Tom 10-01-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2855605)
First, there is a problem with the premise of the question. While it is true that God can do anything that is consistent with His nature, it is absurd to suggest that He can do everything: God cannot lie (Heb. 6:18), He cannot be tempted (James 1:13), and He cannot cease to exist (Ps. 102:25–27). Furthermore, just as it is impossible to make a one-sided triangle, so it is impossible to make a rock too heavy to be moved. What an all-powerful God can create He can obviously move. Put another way, God can do everything that is logically possible. Finally, we should note that a wide variety of similar questions are raised to undermine the Christian view of God. Thus, it is crucial that we learn to question the question rather than assuming the question is valid.


Bible Answer man
volume 1

Philosophical answer because otherwise its logic- 1, religion- 0. Comparing it to the triangle argument is ridiculous, because whilst you can't make a 2 sided triangle or whatever, you CAN make a rock thats too heavy, or you can't do it. So either way he isn't omnipotent.

Crimson Dynamo 10-01-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2855632)
Philosophical answer because otherwise its logic- 1, religion- 0.

its just a bogus question however you try to dress it up

and a very old one at that


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