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I think Caoimhe is going on a bit about this but she isn't getting a clear answer.

Although i think she has got a clear answer just clouded in what dave said.

My understanding is that Dave believes in "scripture" and that his reading of it is that homosexuality is wrong but he chooses to believe in a loving god who forgives and even if he/she/it (lol) thinks it is wrong the sheer love they have brings a mercy and forgiveness.

I think this is roughly what he believes. Not sure if anyone cares but it is the issue of the day so lol.

Dave is a legend.

Caoimhe was only asking a question..

This isn't an anti either of them thread just an attempt to summarise his view for anyone remotely interested lol.

Again, and again and again. She should let it go. It's dull at this stage.

I can see where she is coming from. But she is pushing it. But for some kind of minister Dave doesn't explain himself very well. Dave is also willing to answer questions from Mario, wwho just accepts his answers and doesn't push him on it, but I think he is afraid to answer Caoimhe's properly because she pushes the issue further than he is willing to answer.

I don't like Dave or his views.

But she has no right to harass him over his views. Why now after 4 weeks? Just trying to get camera attention now she isnt behind Shabby.

And he doesn't have to justify himself to her anyway! Back off bitch.

Just close the thread this isn't what i intended.

Sorry did I offend you? I didn't mean to, I can see both sides of this and thought I demonstrated this in my reply. I hope I didn't ruin your thread. :bawling:

Threads take on their own life. You can't control how they pan out. Express your point more clearly if you want specific answers.

Christianity is complex, it's one's individual interpretation of the Bible's teachings. I've found a way to see God's support of homosexuality through the Bible.

No it is okay haha I wasn't clear enough. Wasn't a point about Dave not answering or Caoimhe asking just a summary of what i think Dave believes as this was a big issue when he first made his statement about gay marriage near the start.

Zippy you don't like her i think we understand.

I do think that Dave does believe in those things. He just is not very clear about explaining them.

Caoimhe has come from a very religious back ground, where homosexuality condems you to 'hell' nice person or not.

I think between her lack of understanding other religious beliefs and Dave not explaining clearly has lead to this falling out.

Dave believes homosexual lifestyle is wrong in principle. However he believes in Jesus and loving everyone. He believes the second part a lot more strongly than the first.

Spin it in its head for a change. A homosexual might believe Christian lifestyle is wrong. Would they believe in loving all Christians despite not approving of their lifestyle and beliefs?

Probably not a fair point. But people don't go to war over homosexuality, also in theory homosexuals are a minority group christians aren't, well maybe they are now actually.

But a fair point.

Agreed

On lf just now after her had been moaning to Ben about Keeva bugging him about religion ,keeva walked and Dave went straight into Jesus lover mode ,trouble causer

I think Dave is using the old "Love the sinner, hate the sin" defense,
Bit if a cop out if you ask me.

Too right... just look at the sort of stuff that got painted for the Catholic church in Italy. :D

I don't think Dave has the courage of his convictions.
I think it is pretty obvious he is dead against alternative lifestyles but knows how unpopular he would be if he came right out and said it.
He is actually letting "his side" down.

He has a point when he says he would/could not marry gay people. I don't think he is bona fida enough to marry anyone as he is the head of his own "church", I could well be wrong though so don't shoot me if I am.

Just as long as Dave isn't the sort of twat who sends complaints to the board of Heinz for their "sick, debauched" mayonnaise advert, I have no problem with him.

It's because he knows Keeva is spoiling for a fight - and he isn't prepared to play her game! He is above behaving like that!

Caoimhe has caught dave out and he doesn't like it so he calls her negative

Rubbish - she doesn't like Dave and is just trying to cause an argument - he is rising above it and not giving her what she wants!