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Ulrika V Vanessa battle of the Mums - what do you think?
I'm sure Vanessa will be voted out before Ulrika - thats a given but I was quite interested watching the HL show last night at the two different approaches in handling the 'high maintenance' Nikki.
Ulrika - she is very intolerant of Nikki and cant conceal her impatience any time Nikki opens her mouth. I cant say that Nikki would be an easy person to be around and to that extent I don't blame Ulrika - but as a mum and a lady of a little more maturity she must know that some situations and people have to be 'handled'. When she dismisses Nikki (as in the Majorette's task) its not that she doesn't have a point, but the way she deals with things just causes an atmosphere and bad feeling for the whole house, not just Nikki. Vanessa - She tolerates Nikki in a way that she humours the 'child' as it is obvious Nikki acts very childish in situations, but her way of dealing with the bed thing i.e. I dont want to change but of course if you go on long enough and wear me down I will change - much better surely. She didn't let Nikki get her way but she did it in a way that did'nt make it an issue. I find this very interesting because imo its where Ulrika loses my respect - I think she has good points on people and situations a lot of the time but I'm not sure she goes about it the right way and ends up giving me the impression that 'my way is always the right way and the only way - end of) Thoughts? |
I have to admit I admired the way Vanessa handled Nikki - I would have slapped her one for going on over a bloody bed - what is wrong with the girl???
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I think Ulrikkkkkkaaa is infuriated because she knows she can't actually send the naughty child to the naughty step in this situation as any normal parent would do, or indeed as Supernanny would recommend. It's a situation C4's Supernanny would find intolerable - the naughty child is allowed to continue with her behaviours with no sanctions possible.
Vanessa hasn't had to tolerate the naughty child for as long and is there for a purpose - to get back on TV (presumably), so is ignoring/placating the naughty child insofar as is possible to avoid any conflict. |
As a mother of "kids" of similar age, I would go down the Ulrika route.
She is a grown woman for heavens sake, why pander to her tantrums. I never pandered to my kids tantrums when toddlers, this is the way they grow out of them. You ignore them. As to Vanesse having more patience, she has only spent 5 minutes with Nikki so far, a couple more days of her immature behaviour might well change her attitude. |
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I'm not saying that Ulrika's approach wouldn't be appropriate in some situations, but not always as Vanessa proved. I work with young children (like Nikki) who over react or dramatise and have tantrums but they are not 'bad' its just the way they react. Most of the time you don't give them their way, but you turn it round on them in a jokey way so they realise its silly and it is diffused in a way that more positive for everyone. In Supernanny the naughty step is used for children who are rude, ignore parents instruction, hurt other children etc - this is bad unacceptable and is sanctioned accordingly - Nikki wasn't being 'bad' mean or horrible etc - just silly childish and whining |
OK I defer to you - placating is the best, eh. That's sorted Nikki out over 24 years (guessed time)
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Nikki is not my fave and can be very irritating and spoilt but I do think she had a point in the Majorettes task and I think Ulrika didn't consider her at all just because she doesn't like her |
On reflection my initial analogy was a wrong one.........I dislike Nikki so was likening her to a naughty child which is invalid.
The treatment of adults with behavioural problems is not the same as the treatment of kindergarden children who are learning about the world. Hence mental health workers do not suddenly transfer to become Nursery carers and vice-versa. I made a bad analogy. |
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You are forgetting one very important detail here NIKKI IS AN ADULT!!! I'm a mother as well and I wouldn't treat a grown woman behaving like a child the same as I would a child.
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I liked the way Vanessa pointed out to Nikki that she knew exactly what she was doing, and that she wasn't falling for it. I don't think many people do that, and I don't think Nikki has heard the word "no" in her life often enough.
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I think we both made the wrong analogy with children because for obvious reasons it is so easy to view Nikki as a child. I'm not 'treating' it as the real world just opening a discussion on views, which will obviously differ but thats the beauty of it, if we all agreed or saw things the same we couldnt have these forums |
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