Should Private Schools exist?
 

Should Private Schools exist?

Or do you think every school should be the same? Free public schools for everyone!

If all the private schools and public schools were interlinked.. I bet public schools would perform better.

Like usually in Private schools there is only like 15 students per classroom. Where as in public schools there is about 30 to a classroom. If all the schools interlinked I bet the classes can spread out more and there would be like about 23 students to a class.

I think everyone deserves the same standard of education. There should always be a teacher and always be a teacher's assistant to give extra help for some students in the same class. I mean there can always be sets like there is now for Maths.. English.. etc.

Also every school should have a special needs department. For those who are obviously more clever than going to a special school but who just need some extra encouragement and help.

Therefore.. I think private schools should be scrapped. If the rich want to spend more on education then they could spend £20 or whatever an hour on extra French, singing, classical or whatever subjects they want their sprogs to do well in or learn.

I think Public schools are the same as Private schools. There are just less pupils in a private school classroom. They work like an hour extra a day usually but get longer holidays.

Anyway I think Private schools and public schools should be interlinked. All schools should be made better. There are good public schools but joining both forces together I think there will be a lot less "not so good" schools.

What do you think?

i dont believe in privatisation of anything

schools should be run by the people

No. It just encourages a class based society where the rich get the better things in life whilst the poor are saddled with the worst. Its wrong. Everyone should get the same education for free.

Yes. Private schools should exist.


Private education tends to lend itself to a more disciplined, more responsible type of student in the main. When parents are forking out their hard earned cash: you tend to find that the students take 'learning' far more seriously.

State schools should of course exist - and in my opinion, that is absolutely without question. They should however be of a such a standard that they meet a higher criteria than many (not all, not by a long shot), currently do. Regrettably: due to the number of pupils required in each class in comparison to private schooling/class numbers etc: it is totally understandable that teachers (and the public sector schooling system) can and does fail. Is that their fault? Not entirely. As I say: when parents feel the cost of education straight from their pockets: you can be sure that they (the parents), the children and the tutors/teachers/ financial laid out - in comparions to State schooling for which those schools have little or no control over - all take education far more seriously - overall.

I can speak from experience of both: and I have to say, for many years I was taught within the Scottish educational system - and it was pretty disciplined. If anything, it was on par with the subsequent private education I was priviledged enough to experience in later years.

Unfortunately: it appears that the rules from 30 years ago in State Schools now, Scottish or otherwise, have gone down the drain.

In respect of 'people shouldn't have to pay'. Well, if I was a parent: I would prefer my money to be used towards privately educating my child: than using that money to be 'squandered' on giving them the gadgetry that tends to be used for social reasons, in having to clothe them in the latest 'must have designer' gear etc....

This, private schools just prove how big an advantage you get in life just from being lucky enough to have rich parents, it ensures a life of privilege, it means that social immobility is built into the system & it has an adverse effect on the quality of state run schools.

More than one person has used the words 'rich parent's or 'rich'.

You do all realise that many very working class parents, slog their guts out and use their salaries to finance such private education to give their children the very best start in life? Many working class parents work incrediby long hard hours to do this: preferring the money to be used to benefit their child's / childrens education and long term prospects - rather than fritter the money on every day materialistic whims demanded by their offsping? (ie; designer clothing, the latest 'must have' gadgets, long haul tropical holiday abroad, parents sacrificing their own wants of bigger and more expensive houses, cars etc: to allow them to use the monies for their children - to give them the very best fundamental start to life.).

It appear some on here are blind to these very facts.

Well it'd be interesting to see some facts regarding the demographic of private schools but I'm fairly certain that those working class children who do go to private schools are very much in a tiny minority. Especially considering fees are constantly rising, I think it costs over £10,000 a year on average for private schools, you're mad if you think that most working class families could afford that though making a couple of small, materialistic sacrifices

But thats probably the minority of people not the majority. The majority of those at private schools are those that are used to having an easy life where money is no issue. They're probably used to having everything at their beck and call not to mention being spoiled rotten.

Futhermore, their private education and their parent's wealth will probably allow the kid to access a high paying job easily and with little effort, getting the kid into the top class of society easily. It just goes on and on. Nearly all the top politicians had private schooling for example - David Cameron went to Eton for Christ sake.

I just think its wrong to willingly allow those with the cash to give their children an educational advantage whilst others are unable to gain the same thing. Its wrong and unfair and (like I said before) encourages a class based society.

Obviously they should exist, what a stupid thread :bored:

I've studied in private schools my whole life and I wouldnt want my children to study in public schools. :nono:

Point me out to where I said, "Most working class families could afford...." and I'll address the rest of your points.

No offence Chuck but you're obviously gonna see this differently to the rest of us. Brazil is still a developing country so public schools where you are aren't gonna be at the same standard as public schools where we are. :tongue:

I dont see why you're so indignant that I paraphrased and didnt quote you directly but you said "very many working class parents..." many working class parents": "Many" is generally considered to be the majority or at least a large number.

:joker: It's ok.

BIB. I'd like you to back up your comments here.

I came from council house, working class territory - and still remain firmly working class.

My parents certainly did not have money to squander. I certainly was never spoilt. To the contrary -if I ever made any demands for anything, you can be quite sure that I never received. I can reply for myself, and let me assure you: if I did not work hard during my private education: I didn't just receive a bollocking from my parents...

you seem to have a rather small minded percetion with regards to private education: as shown by your David Cameron went to Eton for Christs sake comment.

I'd have expected many who attended such prestigious places as Eton etc: SHOULD be making a serious impact - in one way or another (suggests you check how many people who did benefit from such privileged education .... and see how successful they were... comedians, and policitians alike. That simply proves my point .... REGARDLESS of what profession they end up in: they have taken their education seriously - enough to have used their intelligence / wit / to the very best result in their adult life.)

You appear to be assuming that I am 'so indignant'. Please check back: you quoted my previous comment and replied. I responded to that.

therefore you were indeed responding to my comments, otherwise you would not have quoted my post. ;)

My post that you quoted:

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More than one person has used the words 'rich parent's or 'rich'. You do all realise that many very working class parents, slog their guts out and use their salaries to finance such private education to give their children the very best start in life? Many working class parents work incrediby long hard hours to do this: preferring the money to be used to benefit their child's / childrens education and long term prospects - rather than fritter the money on every day materialistic whims demanded by their offsping? (ie; designer clothing, the latest 'must have' gadgets, long haul tropical holiday abroad, parents sacrificing their own wants of bigger and more expensive houses, cars etc: to allow them to use the monies for their children - to give them the very best fundamental start to life.). It appear some on here are blind to these very facts.

Your post - in reply - which quoted my post above

The existence of private schools is just a mere consequence of a class based society.

I dont think so no.

Just makes the divide between poor and rich larger.

I dont see why having cash/your parents having cash should entitle you to a better life than say...someone who works 60 hours a week to keep food on the table. This goes for private doctors/dentists etc too.

How utterly patronising. Unless you have quite specific and detailed knowledge of the educational system in Brazil, or have a specialised interest and higher knowlege than Chuck Pass themselves.... I have to honestly ask why you would be stating something as factual.

What evidence do you have that public schools in Brazil aren't 'gonna' be the same standard as public schools where 'we' are?

Do you have personal experience to validate and back up your personal knowledge?

If not: I would say that Chuck Pass has every right to offer their opinon on this subject without being told "You are going to see things differently".

Huh, what's the relevance of this? I know I was responding to your comments, I'm not an idiot, but that doesn't mean I've commited some kind of offence against your person because I used the word "most" instead of "many" in regards to your post when the two are virtually synonyms.

I think it's less to do with a class based society.

Evidently, those considered middle /upper class will have more finances at their disposal to afford private education. That is and always will be the case.

That does not detract from the fact that there are far higher numbers of working class individuals, working class families within the UK, that are prepared to pay for private education - than was evident in the past.

I am quite sure that members on the forum are perfectly capable of determining the meaning of the word 'many or most'. To use your post (previous and above) to assume that those involved or reading this thread, would not be able to establish what the word 'many or most' meant - I feel is condescending and somewhat patronising.

It appears that there seems to be many assumptions on your part, that is only my opinion, that is all I am saying.

And I dont have a problem with that, I dont see why children whose parents have enough money to afford private education should send their children to a public school.
People who have more money are always going to be able to afford better things and thats perfectly fine by me.

I really don't see what you're trying to do here, you seemed to have a problem that something I said in my post wasnt a direct quote from you so I replyed to clarify myself, and now you're dragging this out into a ridiculous argument where you're attacking me for my semantics for no apparent reason. And there you go on the defensive again saying I'm being patronising :rolleyes:

No I don't think they should exist.

Most people that attend Private schools are posh, stuck-up twats who need to be dragged down a level, to reality. Anyone who isn't to their rich standards they treat/talk to like a piece of dirt.

I'd much rather attend a public school anyway cause despite some of the idiots that attend it, you'll meet much nicer people.

I agree. My point was more that Niall seemed to be offering views on an eduational system in a country which I believe they have no personal experience upon which to base their comments, in respect of the schooling standard - state or otherwise - in Brazil. (and I say, 'seemed', as I cannot answer for Niall)


No, I'm merely stating that you appear to finding moot points upon which you base your point of view. Nothing more, nothing less. Less that I am being defensive (so no need for your rolling eyes smilley...patronising much ;) ) - but more that I am pointing out the moot points upon which you raise as a point of debate.