So Jay techically speaking isn't even a Geordie
 

He comes from a leafy part of rural Durham and his mum's wealthy - despite MaMa McKray claiming on Harry's eviction that her son is a 'humble working class Geordie, hard working plumber' etc. Jay's probably posher than Aaron :joker: but not as posh as Harry (probably why Harry was chosen so he'd be the posho).

You see a "Geordie" accent hides a multitude of 'sins' (ie real class background etc)

Now I understand why he was annoyed that real Geordie Alex was in the house and hardly spoke to her for ages (she ruined his 'down to earth' Geordie USP).

Now I understand why he was able to afford a £50K car and a rather swanky flat, Armani T-shirts and jeans (despite claiming to be a humble plumber struggling for work). :joker:

Depends how wide an area your definition of Geordie encompasses, he's only from a few miles away from Newcastle

So he's not a Geordie then!

He said he was from Newcastle. Lies.

"he's only from a few miles away from Newcastle "
Try saying that to all the makems in Sunderland.

Geordie doesn't have to only apply to people specifically born within the City, a lot of my family live up in Northumberland and would say they were Geordies even though they're about 20 minutes from the city. Plus people often give the name of their nearest City to say where they're from, I'd say I was from Bristol even though it's 20/30mins away from where I live

I live 30 mins away from both Edinburgh and Glasgow, but I don't say I'm from either place.

I say I am from the town that I actually live in - I think most people tend to do that, unless of course, they are trying to hide where they actually come from (either through trying to play it up - or down).

Good for you.. nobody would have heard of where I actually live, it's likely that the nearest place to me that they'd know is Bristol, so I either use that or say Gloucestershire :nono:

Sunderland is not a small place near Newcastle; it has 200,000 population.

Geordie is commonly used for people up North it does not mean they have to be born in the city.

He is from just outside and his accent is very very very much Geordie.

This Jay bashing is becoming very tedious now. Yes his mother has money but he has worked as a plumber making him working class he aint no millionaire.

Weegie is a term for folk from Glasgow - and I would never regard myself as such, because I don't come from Glasgow.

We are discussing how someone can claim they live and come from a particular type of background and area: when in fact, the truth is: they don't.

That's not Jay bashing, that's called a fairly reasonsable topic for conversation and discussion.

Jay's not from Sunderland?

Many would not know the town I live in either...therefore when I say I live in XXXX , I confirm that it is 'near' to.... or say most times, "It's between Glasgow and Edinburgh".... I dont pretend to live somewhere that I don't.

No need for the wagging fingers btw.

It makes me laugh how you all call Jay a liar and condemn him for decieving viewers yet celebrate Aaron who admitted he lied throughout the auditions and used to think of one liners to say in the diary room to please viewers. (Whish he admitted to on last nights show).

Baffles me.

If he's from Durham then his nearest city is Sunderland, Not Newcastle. The definition of a Geordie is someone born on the banks of the Tyne. Historically, Newcastle was part of Northumberland and Sunderland was part of County Durham, so I can see why your family might refer to themselves as Geordies, but that doesn't apply to people from Durham.

However, as a Mackem, I'd say the Geordies are welcome to him. :)

Alex isn't a Geordie either, she's from South Shields, making her a Sand Dancer.

Alex wasnt a geordie either.

Thing with Jay is though, he is from Whichkham now, which isnt far at all from Newcastle, its pretty much on the edge of Gateshead(people from Gateshead class themselves as Geordies too). I bet people who arent from here wouldnt even know where Whichkham was...so its easier to say hes from Newcastle. He DID live in Byker at one point, so if he had lived there most of his live he would probably class himself as a geordie. Or even if he spends the majority of his time in Newcastle.

How do you know where he comes from?

Indeed. It's actually bigger than Newcastle in both size and population.

*cough*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Durham

Historically, Sunderland encompasses Durham and other areas....


County Durham /ˈdʌrəm/ is a ceremonial county[2] and (smaller) unitary district in North East England. The county town is Durham. The largest settlement in the ceremonial county (in its own unitary Borough) is the town of Darlington.[3] The county has a mixture of mining and farming heritage, as well as a heavy railway industry, particularity in the southwest of the county in Darlington, Shildon and Stockton. Its economy was historically based on coal and iron mining.[4] It is an area of regeneration and promoted as a tourist destination.[4]

I am a Mackem to people up here...as they know where Durham is, and Ouston is a part of County Durham.

But when elsewhere, I usually just say Geordie, as its much easier...plus I lived in Newcastle for like 6 years...and spend more time there than here now. If you say Durham...9 times out of 10 people say 'where?' and you end up saying near Newcastle anyway, easier to just skip that part of the convo :laugh:

Which is reasonable if it's general quick convo with strangers...., but so too, is not 'skipping that part of the conversation'.... not certainly it's a bit dubious, when you're actually living with people 24/7 in a house for 64 days to continue the pretence.

Unless of course:

(1) Jay didn't mention it quite deliberately or

(2) BB simply decided to ensure the edits shown, were giving the impression that he was just a simple, hard working, down to earth, no trapping, no wealth, type run of the mill average family lad, from 'Newcah ssuullll like'.

I'm a Mackem too, living down south. and regardless of who I speak to, if they ask then I'll tell them I'm a Mackem. I'd never say Geordie, ever. Quite often the opening question on hearing my accent is "Geordie or Mackem" so people do know the difference outside of the North East, and if they don't then how long does it take to explain where Durham is - "it's near Sunderland". A lot of people have heard of Durham anyway, it's not like it's some little village in the middle of nowhere.

Ok so you insist on being specific about where you live, do you want a medal for that or something? I don't "pretend" to be from somewhere I'm not, it's just for convenience's sake I'll give the name of the nearest City

Ah right, I just wikipedia'd the town his Mum's from and it said it's "approximately 5 miles to the south-west of the city of Newcastle upon Tyne" so I presumed that was his nearest City

Your plea to stop Jay bashing would have a million % more credibility if you also plead to stop Aaron bashing, as Aaron gets a much rawer deal! :joker::joker:

I cant believe I am sticking up for Jay here...but I dont really see what the big deal is. Whichkam is NOT far from Newcastle at all. And he grew up in Byker...so he is a geordie.

If you grew up in scotland, then moved to england when you were, for example, 16...you would still tell people you were scottish no?

And maybe he didnt say he was from Whickham because he didnt want people stalking out his flat. (as they have managed to do anyways :laugh: ) Whickham aint that big. maybe there was some other reason...maybe he just wanted people to think he was from Newcastle, maybe the housemates didnt discuss their hometowns...or maybe BB just didnt show it, who knows. But its hardly the deception of the century.

I'd appreciate if you could not be so rude MTVN. There is absolutely no need for it, at all.

To clarify this .... said that I (not you), I did not pretend where I come from, when I am asked - and I was referring that specifically to Jay - not you, or indeed anyone else on this forum - and I'd have thought that was obvious, however I am taking this opportunity to make that very clear here and now.

You made assumptions regarding Sunderland/Durham, you were given links to show the lay of the land, quite literally. I'd have thought that was more helpful to allow you to understand why people are commenting as they are.