Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-19134894

I wonder what that was all about ?

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I notice we now have a police 'force' not a police 'service' ...Must be a conservative government in power again....

But i thought having strict gun control laws prevented this sort of thing?

Gun crime in the UK is significantly lower then the US. One incident in the UK does not change the fact that the US' gun laws are fatally flawed.

Just a few minutes walk from mine this, it's just territory and drug wars.. Well, attempted ones anyway, because they're only kids and too stupid to even realize what they're doing.

but violent crime in the UK is significantly higher than the US, hmmm.

That's a whole different kettle of fish, your original post referred to gun laws and how you insinuated that our gun laws were ineffective because of one incident which isn't true.

Accept that your latest attempt to slame the UK has fallen on it's arse and move on.

My latest attempt to slam the UK? so by your logic then, when you make comments about gun control laws in the Us are you attempting to slam the USA, is that right?

My point was your gun control laws don't prevent mass shootings in the UK, as this case clearly demonstrates.

And i don't appreciate your patronizing tone, don't tell me to "move on" as if you have the authority to tell me which threads i can and cannot comment on.

I'm slamming the American government for endangering it's people by not doing anything about it's flimsy gun laws. You're trying to score points by making a half assed point that one incident means our whole law system is in disarray. One that is hypocritical considering the fact you just made a post in the other thread accusing people of using tragedies to further their own agendas because you're doing the very same thing here.

Shotgun?

I could understand gangs having pistols, see that all the time. But a teenage gang having a shotgun? Damn.

Because the alcohol age of consumption if far lower than in the US - and like Dezzy said, that has nothing to do with this topic or your original argument.

score points with whom? unlike you i don't think this is a game, and i don't give a fook about slamming anyone. Obviously you seem to think this is some sort of UK vs US thing, which it is NOT. I'm simply pointing out that in the thread about the recent shootings in the US, half the posts are about gun control.

If you knew anything about me, you'd know that i am PRO-GUN CONTROL, but i find it distasteful and repulsive when advocates use specific tragedies, especially so soon afterwards, for the cause. And i also think it's very naive to think that making something illegal can prevent big tragedies. In the same way that making drugs illegal doesn't cure drug addiction.

Making laws is not a cure-all or panacea.

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its a Drug War.

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Yes its a Drug War Zone.

Kid, do you always have to do this? Mentioning that is only going to derail the topic at hand and turn it into a UK versus USA debate yet again.

Give it a rest.

no, having people constantly saying that somehow the US gun laws are responsible for this type of thing turns it into a US/UK thing. I'm simply throweing it back in the faces of all those idiots that use these types of tragedies to make it a US/UK thing by talking about gun laws.

Every single story from the US get's a myriad of responses from brits who says.. well look, it's the gun laws that make the US have this kind of violence, i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

I'm not the one that needs to "give it a rest". I'm the one putting things into perspective.

The UK has its problems. No one can deny that. The fact that people say that the UK has better rules than the USA in terms of guns - right or wrong it may be - absolutely does not mean that the UK is exempt from gun crime and anyone who thinks otherwise clearly needs to get an education.

then we agree. fantastic.

Glad to see that you agree to bettering your understanding on various topics.

bettering my understanding? I agreed that the UK has plenty of problems and that gun laws have not solved any problems for the UK.

Believe me, gun crime is not the problem in the UK.

Your attitude is a problem. Along with your plethora of hypocritical traits and absurd, tedious and ill-informed statements.

One incident absolutely does not mean that our laws against gun use is in trouble, as has been said numerous times.

If you compare the amount of gun crime in the UK to the USA, you'll see there's no merit in your ridiculous and stupid argument.

Get a grip. And an education.

no deary, you need to educate yourself. You'd see that you are very off the mark. You are more interested in being right than being informed though. pity for you.

How can you be right without being informed of the situation?

Perhaps if you could explain to us why you think this why you're spouting all these statements we would understand you a bit more.

well i could repeat myself, or you could just pay more attention.