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Kizzy 18-11-2012 05:58 PM

Should prisoners have a vote?
 
Do you agree Britain should comply with the European Court of Human Rights, and give those serving prison sentences their right to vote?

King Gizzard 18-11-2012 06:07 PM

No, they've abused their human rights so they should be not allowed this one, and in some cases they have taken away the right to vote for someone else

Livia 18-11-2012 06:21 PM

No. It's one of the privileges they lose when they're convicted of a crime.

Marcus. 18-11-2012 06:21 PM

no they dont

Redway 18-11-2012 06:32 PM

It would depend on the crime but as a general rule, no. Would you seriously expect a murderer (for example) to be legible to vote?

MTVN 18-11-2012 06:36 PM

I think the main focus of prison should be rehabilitation and denying them the vote unnecessarily hinders that, if we say we live in a democracy where the people have the right to choose how we're governed then the state shouldn't be able to restrict that and pick and choose who can partake in it and who can't. There are a lot of prisoners who are very politically astute and it's fair that they be allowed the means to express that, your average prisoner isn't a crazed murderer or rapist or whatever, it's a normal human being who could have committed their crime for any number of reasons and should be given the support to be able to re enter society as a law abiding citizen; retaining their right to vote is a part of that

the truth 18-11-2012 06:39 PM

I would let them keep the vote. because every prisoners situation varies so enormously, some are murderers but some are there for not being able to pay their council tax or too many parking tickets....the new bill does put in an adendim to allow those with 6 months or less left to vote, so Id let them keep it, many wont bother voting anyway. I would also dare say, it would be too advantageous for the conservatives if prisoners dont get the right. as a larger proportion of prisoners are poorer people and therefore more labour voters by default

King Gizzard 18-11-2012 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 5627093)
I think the main focus of prison should be rehabilitation and denying them the vote unnecessarily hinders that, if we say we live in a democracy where the people have the right to choose how we're governed then the state shouldn't be able to restrict that and pick and choose who can partake in it and who can't. There are a lot of prisoners who are very politically astute and it's fair that they be allowed the means to express that, your average prisoner isn't a crazed murderer or rapist or whatever, it's a normal human being who could have committed their crime for any number of reasons and should be given the support to be able to re enter society as a law abiding citizen; retaining their right to vote is a part of that

a point well made but there are a lot of prisoners that will not learn and keep offending, however much rehabilitation you give them, it would be hard to differentiate between those who are responsible enough to vote and those that are not

the truth 18-11-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 5627118)
a point well made but there are a lot of prisoners that will not learn and keep offending, however much rehabilitation you give them, it would be hard to differentiate between those who are responsible enough to vote and those that are not

exactly so why punish them all, when theres so much vast difference between them all? the worst prisoners will probably be too busy causing chaos to bother voting

King Gizzard 18-11-2012 06:51 PM

I think if you had to choose in that case it would have to be against letting them have the vote, there isn't time to decide whether someone is allowed to vote or not depending on their circumstances

Afterall they did commit a crime, no matter what their motivation

the truth 18-11-2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 5627129)
I think if you had to choose in that case it would have to be against letting them have the vote, there isn't time to decide whether someone is allowed to vote or not depending on their circumstances

Afterall they did commit a crime, no matter what their motivation

well I disagree. one blanket ban for all seems to harsh and also favour one political party over another. I dont see the point in this extra punishment. better to let them vote and keep an active interest in the country imo

Vicky. 18-11-2012 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 5627093)
I think the main focus of prison should be rehabilitation and denying them the vote unnecessarily hinders that, if we say we live in a democracy where the people have the right to choose how we're governed then the state shouldn't be able to restrict that and pick and choose who can partake in it and who can't. There are a lot of prisoners who are very politically astute and it's fair that they be allowed the means to express that, your average prisoner isn't a crazed murderer or rapist or whatever, it's a normal human being who could have committed their crime for any number of reasons and should be given the support to be able to re enter society as a law abiding citizen; retaining their right to vote is a part of that

I think the main focus of prison should be punishment tbh

King Gizzard 18-11-2012 06:55 PM

A mixture of both but punishment being more prominent

Vicky. 18-11-2012 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 5627140)
A mixture of both but punishment being more prominent

Yeah. Exactly.

MTVN 18-11-2012 06:56 PM

Rehabilitation tends to be more effective at reducing crime though, I don't see much point in punishment for the sake of punishment

the truth 18-11-2012 06:57 PM

yeah agreed a mixture of both. rehabilitation should take place within prison walls though, not out in the community.

Vicky. 18-11-2012 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 5627144)
Rehabilitation tends to be more effective at reducing crime though, I don't see much point in punishment for the sake of punishment

Its not punishment for the sake of punishment though, its punishment for comitting a crime.

InOne 18-11-2012 07:38 PM

For me it depends on the crime...

thesheriff443 18-11-2012 08:10 PM

no votes for lags

GypsyGoth 18-11-2012 08:13 PM

I don't think they should. If they want to take part in society, they should obey the laws of it.

joeysteele 18-11-2012 08:22 PM

I would say the loss of liberty due to a prison sentence warrants also a loss of privileges such as voting too for the time they are in prison.

My only problem is that I believe there are far too many people in prison for things which could be dealt with in other ways.
Anyone in prison for a violent crime and also for any physical violence against property/possessions too should not get a chance to vote though.

Jordan. 18-11-2012 08:27 PM

Yes we need Maloney in the final

Roy Mars III 18-11-2012 08:28 PM

Depends on the crime, or how much longer they are in prison for

Jack_ 18-11-2012 11:08 PM

Yes on the whole but I don't see the benefits for those on life-sentences, whom will literally live their last days in prison?

But yes to the rest.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 5627150)
Its not punishment for the sake of punishment though, its punishment for comitting a crime.

Ah but 'tough' prisons just turn them into the University of Crime. No gain there whatsoever. You're only making hard criminals harder.

Omah 18-11-2012 11:11 PM

Should prisoners retain their right to vote?
 
Keep it simple - No ..... :nono:


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