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lostalex 20-04-2013 02:46 PM

The Scripture is clear!
 
Saw this on Reddit and I havn't laughed so hard in a long time. Pure Brilliance.

This is from a christian girl's Facebook page explaining why she is against gay marriage... The response she got was amazing.

http://i.imgur.com/qV2LtOF.jpg

Niamh. 20-04-2013 02:48 PM

:laugh2:

Cherie 20-04-2013 02:50 PM

:laugh: Classic response.

Shaun 20-04-2013 02:51 PM

proof (if needed) that quoting the Bible to prove a point is futile :love: there's always at least five contradicting quotes

Vicky. 20-04-2013 02:53 PM

:joker:

Roy Mars III 20-04-2013 02:57 PM

God deemed the laws in the first books of the Bible to no longer be necessarily once the New Testament was written. So things such as the verse about the virgin and other ones such as men not being allowed to have long hair are invalid nowadays

It's the verses in the New Testament that are sited to be against homosexuality.

lostalex 20-04-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 5945865)
God deemed the laws in the first books of the Bible to no longer be necessarily once the New Testament was written. So things such as the verse about the virgin and other ones such as men not being allowed to have long hair are invalid nowadays

It's the verses in the New Testament that are sited to be against homosexuality.

Not according to this girl and most Christians, they all seem to point to Leviticus as proof that "GOD HATES FAGS". And the New testament also says that you have to be a virgin before marriage, doesn't it? I thought the new testament was against pre-marital sex as well.

Roy Mars III 20-04-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 5945868)
Not according to this girl and most Christians, they all seem to point to Leviticus as proof that "GOD HATES FAGS".

only Christians who know nothing about what the Bible actually says. Which is unfortunately a lot of them.

The laws written in Leviticus were intended for the Old Testament Jews only, they are not meant for people nowadays.

Roy Mars III 20-04-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 5945868)
Not according to this girl and most Christians, they all seem to point to Leviticus as proof that "GOD HATES FAGS". And the New testament also says that you have to be a virgin before marriage, doesn't it? I thought the new testament was against pre-marital sex as well.

It does say premarital sex is sinful, though not that a person committing it should be killed

lostalex 20-04-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 5945870)
only Christians who know nothing about what the Bible actually says. Which is unfortunately a lot of them.

The laws written in Leviticus were intended for the Old Testament Jews only, they are not meant for people nowadays.

hmm, well the New Testament seems to disagree with you...

http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm

Roy Mars III 20-04-2013 03:23 PM

I'm not going to read all that especially from a site called evilbible, quote me what I am wrong about though.

lostalex 20-04-2013 03:24 PM

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Jesus. 20-04-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 5945865)
God deemed the laws in the first books of the Bible to no longer be necessarily once the New Testament was written. So things such as the verse about the virgin and other ones such as men not being allowed to have long hair are invalid nowadays

It's the verses in the New Testament that are sited to be against homosexuality.

Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not change it.

Roy Mars III 20-04-2013 03:31 PM

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse for us. (Galatians 3:13)

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. (Galatians 5:1)

Christ's death meant that the old law in did not need to be followed

Roy Mars III 20-04-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5945887)
Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not change it.

Yes, his death would mean the end of the Old Law.

lostalex 20-04-2013 03:36 PM

So Jesus believed in the laws while he was alive, and encouraged people to follow them (including telling them to murder disobedient children), but then AFTER he died, christians decided that he freed them from the old laws?

But Jesus himself never said that he freed them from the old laws. Christians just made that up after he died.

Jesus. 20-04-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 5945889)
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse for us. (Galatians 3:13)

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. (Galatians 5:1)

Christ's death meant that the old law in did not need to be followed

Christ redeemed the world from the punishment of original sin, nothing is mentioned about discarding the old testament.

Roy Mars III 20-04-2013 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5945894)
Christ redeemed the world from the punishment of original sin, nothing is mentioned about discarding the old testament.

not the old testament, the laws set forth in Leviticus

Marc 20-04-2013 03:42 PM

Hahaha religion..

Roy Mars III 20-04-2013 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 5945893)
So Jesus believed in the laws while he was alive, and encouraged people to follow them (including telling them to murder disobedient children), but then AFTER he died, christians decided that he freed them from the old laws?

But Jesus himself never said that he freed them from the old laws. Christians just made that up after he died.

well, yes, this is predicated on the fact that you believe the Apostle Paul's writings were the word of God speaking through him

lostalex 20-04-2013 03:44 PM

If I had known this thread would turn into this I would have put it into Serious Debates section.

Let's all just laugh at the girl who was a slut in High School who got called out on Facebook for hypocrisy, can't we? :)

It's especially satisfying because it's Facebook, so you know her family and husband are going to see it.

DigitalSid 20-04-2013 03:52 PM

What a 1600 year old book, that was compiled by a show of hands, that no two denominations can agree on the interpretation of, about a man in the sky who gives aids to babies, says about a natural biological trait, that along with everything else he must have, if he exists and did as stated, created, is surely irrelevant?

Jesus. 20-04-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 5945898)
not the old testament, the laws set forth in Leviticus

I really don't agree with your interpretation, and you won't agree with mine. I'm always happy to agree to disagree with a fine fellow like yourself.

arista 20-04-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5945887)
Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not change it.

A Fable

Jesus. 20-04-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5945940)
A Fable

I know that.


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