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Kate! 16-09-2013 10:15 AM

Monday Morning Moral Dilemma 3
 
Susan is married to Robert. Robert is a control freak, he tells her what to do, where she can and can't go, what to wear and who she can have as friends. He never physically hurts her, however she feels increasingly trapped and isolated. She doesn't feel able to confide in anyone.

One day she's had enough and puts poison in the sugarbowl knowing that Robert will have his usual cup of tea with two sugars when he gets home from work that evening. She goes out on her normal weekly grocery shopping trip and on the way home has an attack of conscience and resolves to dispose of the poison and not go through with it. However, Robert has come home from work as he's been made redundant and has already had a cup of tea. He dies.

There is a post mortem as Robert was a generally fit and healthy man, and Susan breaks down and confesses. She's charged with murder, and the case for the Defence argues for the lesser charge of manslaughter, citing his unreasonable behaviour and her emotional state of mind.

You're on the jury. Would you find her guilty of Murder? Or the lesser charge of Manslaughter?

Ninastar 16-09-2013 10:26 AM

I'd charge her guilty of murder, because she has murdered.

Kizzy 16-09-2013 10:31 AM

Murder, she could have just left him?.....

Locke. 16-09-2013 10:32 AM

Murder, the poor guy didn't deserve this

Marsh. 16-09-2013 10:42 AM

Who's Mary? I thought Susan was the murderer?

AnnieK 16-09-2013 10:51 AM

If she could prove how mentally tormented by him she was, she would probably get manslaughter.

Kate! 16-09-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 6383068)
Who's Mary? I thought Susan was the murderer?

:D well spotted .... Typo. I've corrected it.

Shaun 16-09-2013 11:05 AM

I don't see any dilemma, she's a murderer :laugh:

Kate! 16-09-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 6383091)
I don't see any dilemma, she's a murderer :laugh:

Lol, yes but she's suffered incredibly mental torment like Annie said :nono:

I'd go for manslaughter.

smudgie 16-09-2013 11:27 AM

She should have left him and divorced him on mental cruelty.

Niamh. 16-09-2013 11:31 AM

Guilty obviously, she could have just left him like other people said, he wasn't physically abusive so it's not like there was a threat to her life if she left him

Kate! 16-09-2013 12:11 PM

Yeah, there's no question she's guilty and deserves a sentence, but would you all return a verdict of murder or would you take into account what she's been through and class it as manslaughter, either way she's going away for a long time, but there's more leeway for coming out in old age on a manslaughter verdict.

smudgie 16-09-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by *Kate* (Post 6383153)
Yeah, there's no question she's guilty and deserves a sentence, but would you all return a verdict of murder or would you take into account what she's been through and class it as manslaughter, either way she's going away for a long time, but there's more leeway for coming out in old age on a manslaughter verdict.

Premeditated means murder.

Marsh. 16-09-2013 12:54 PM

Yeah, I think the fact she wasn't defending herself from immediate danger and plotted to kill him means she deserves to go down for murder.

However, I'm not sure how mental suffering is taken into account in cases like this. Surely all murderers have some kind of mental condition to be able to do what they do. Tough one.

Josy 16-09-2013 01:06 PM

Yep murder.

Niamh. 16-09-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by *Kate* (Post 6383153)
Yeah, there's no question she's guilty and deserves a sentence, but would you all return a verdict of murder or would you take into account what she's been through and class it as manslaughter, either way she's going away for a long time, but there's more leeway for coming out in old age on a manslaughter verdict.

By guilty I meant of murder. You can't go around killing people because they have s**t personalities, which is basically what she did. If she was unhappy all she had to do was leave him, he wasn't physically threatening towards her

Natalie. 16-09-2013 02:05 PM

Murder

Kate! 16-09-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 6383174)
By guilty I meant of murder. You can't go around killing people because they have s**t personalities, which is basically what she did. If she was unhappy all she had to do was leave him, he wasn't physically threatening towards her

That's true, I hadn't looked at it from that aspect, my instinctive sympathies were fully with her, maybe that's misguided.

I've never done jury service, I wonder if I could be impartial enough if faced with a case like this, it would be very interesting.


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