Human nature: will we ever be truly 'civilised'?
 

What is your opinion of 'human nature'

Are we as a species 'civilised'?

If not, will we ever be?

Is cruelty a defect or just a lack of empathy?

No

As long as religions exists we'll never be civilised or live in harmony.

We are a product of our environment.

I agree about religion. Organised religion in my opinion has shackled humanity for far too long.

I would just change one word in Marc's post by adding an "s" to religion.

Ah well I did mean all of them

I thought you did! :devil:

Some Nations
are not (by western views)
but they are set in their old way.
So Afghan Woman are at the level
of a Dog or below.



Now that nation has gone back in time
and said this is how we want it to be
now as the murdering USA /UK troops are going.


So for them it is a way of Life
Not a Defect.

I believe that our carnal nature has driven us to physical division and conflict whilst our egos have pushed us to spiritual division and conflict. I take stock in theories that involve all of us together needing to reawaken and elevate our one consciousness to the next level through mindfulness, well being, meditation and treating others well.

We need to supercede these notions that we are in any way separate from one another. By harming each other and harming the environment we are harming ourselves and sending out negative, destructive forces be they in the material realm or in the realm of consciousness. Anything that isn't love is simply a corruption of love.

We've dragged our bodies out of the swamps but clearly our minds are still playing a catch up game. We have an enormous wealth of culture and technology but these facets of existence are transitory and not enough on their own to validate our apparent greatness or stop us from being a mammal that is constantly waging a war with itself. It's not our nature. We need to reach towards something more ethereal and substantial than our current goals of administrating money and improving technology. We take ourselves far too seriously. Stu is nothing more than the lens that this piece of the consciousness is viewing the world through. I am but a fleeting expression of the universe. A damn handsome one, at that.



Be nice to one another I suppose, like. I'm Jesus now everyone follow me.

No,simply because of our over inflated egos of ourselves,we THINK we are better than any other living thing,we ride rough shod over everything that gets in our way,cruelty will never be ruled out as we think we have a right over anything and everything.

"We take ourselves far too seriously. "


Bang On Right Stu

As Bill and Ted said 'Be excellent to each other'

There are just as many arguments for civilisation (state welfare, government, charity, a sense of history and geography) as there are those for a lack of it (bigotry, war, ego).

"Best not to worry about it" - the Shaun Collins philosophy

no, some hunt for food and some hunt for sport, to kill an animal for no other reason than to inflate your ego, means some choose to be uncivilised.

We're ***** by nature and nothing will ever change that, there will always be bad, you just got to try and focus on the good.

But thats Tradition

You Are Most Wise Dezzy

Yes I will Dip You in my Cup of Stu


Hell of a Buzz

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We are not s**** there should be more philanthropy and altruism but as a whole I would say the UK is still 'civilised', has amazing spirit determination and drive.
The only thing that could change that is further strain on the family, housing and work lives of society. Which would force more and more people to live in conditions that makes civility unattainable.
That's when the giants will walk again, and that is a horrific thought.

Well the BBC article 'Are conspiracy theories ruining democracy?'... is very telling.
Don't question the powers that B ( BC)!!

That's what worries me the most. Sometimes you don't know what sort of species your dealing with until the veneer of civilisation is torn away from them. At the root of it in general we are still animals driven by the need to eat, sleep, copulate etc.

This is the stupidest claim ever, why do people keep saying it. Without religion there would definitely be more social disorder, it's extremism that needs to stop

People who say this are usually just jumping on a bandwagon and not making any attempt to try and think

Why would there be more social disorder? Are us atheists immoral vagabonds or something?

Stop playing the defensive atheist, I didn't say any of that I'm just saying that religion holds people down

You said without religion there would be more social disorder.


I would thus conclude from that you mean to ascertain atheists lack morality in comparison with theists.