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arista 02-11-2013 05:40 PM

Pakistan accuses the US of "scuttling" the taliban peace talks after the Drone Attack
 
http://news.sky.com/story/1162729/ne...r-drone-strike


The Taliban have a New Leader Now.


But Pakistan is Angry at this Drone Attack
that took out the Taliban leader
as it destroys peace talks that were set up.


Fecking typical of the USA President
does not care about there Peace Talks.
Just wants to carry on with Evil Drone attacks
that also kill familys that happen to be near the deadly drone

Kazanne 02-11-2013 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6462999)
http://news.sky.com/story/1162729/ne...r-drone-strike


The Taliban have a New Leader Now.


But Pakistan is Angry at this Drone Attack
that took out the Taliban leader
as it destroys peace talks that were set up.


Fecking typical of the USA President
does not care about there Peace Talks.
Just wants to carry on with Evil Drone attacks
that also kill familys that happen to be near the deadly drone

It's all very dangerous this ,as the Taliban are so extreme and were they talking peace?

arista 02-11-2013 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 6463110)
It's all very dangerous this ,as the Taliban are so extreme and were they talking peace?


They were due to Start peace talks
Then USA Drone Attack kills the Taliban Leader


Pakistan not even warned.


America Destroys the peace talks

lostalex 02-11-2013 09:02 PM

The Taliban aren't interested in peace. They are just like North Korea. They are good at stalling tactics and pretending to want peace and wanting negotiations just as a way to gain more time and leverage.

arista 03-11-2013 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6463833)
The Taliban aren't interested in peace. They are just like North Korea. They are good at stalling tactics and pretending to want peace and wanting negotiations just as a way to gain more time and leverage.

They are if their Laws are permitted




They are nothing like North Korea

lostalex 03-11-2013 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 6464419)
They are if their Laws are permitted




They are nothing like North Korea

they are egggggggggggggggsactly like North Korea. well their tactics i mean, North Korea actually has a nation state to control and the Taliban just have a region between afghanistan and pakistan, but the mentality and then strategies are the same.

Kim Jong Un is like Martin Luther King to Taliban people. He's their inspiration, who they look up to. They aspire to be as cruel a dictator as fat little Kim.

Z 03-11-2013 12:50 PM

The USA is as much of an aggressor as the Taliban or North Korea, in my opinion. The USA is just fortunate enough that it's an economic powerhouse with the ability to spend lots of money on its military and has enough alliances that the tide of world opinion has not turned on them for all of the things they have done to wrong global citizens. That's not a judgement of what's right and what's wrong, I do not believe the USA to be an inherently good or inherently evil country; it is what it is.

lostalex 03-11-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6464683)
The USA is as much of an aggressor as the Taliban or North Korea, in my opinion. The USA is just fortunate enough that it's an economic powerhouse with the ability to spend lots of money on its military and has enough alliances that the tide of world opinion has not turned on them for all of the things they have done to wrong global citizens. That's not a judgement of what's right and what's wrong, I do not believe the USA to be an inherently good or inherently evil country; it is what it is.

what a load of ****e. Wow you really must think the USA is God or something. Yea the USA has control over the whole world and we control everything that happens in it. gimme a fecking break.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the USA is not GOD, and we are not omnipotent. We don't have control over everything that happens in the world, we just happen to be the biggest target.

Funny how when you are the most powerful and prosperous country in the world you do also automatically become the biggest target, because it's human nature for all of these failed societies to blame all of their problems on us, because they, like you, think we are God and create all of the problems of the world

Well we aren't God, we don't have magic powers, we don't control everything that happens in all of these ****ty little countries.

Blame God, not US.

it's so fecking pathetic how these ****ed up little countries think we owe them anything. That the world thinks we owe them anything. hey, here's a clue, stop being terrorist assholes and we'll all go home, ever think of that? fecking idiots. You don't want drone strikes anymore? well then take care of the terrorists in your own fecking countries, and guess what, there will be no more drone strikes.

Z 03-11-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6464688)
what a load of ****e. Wow you really must think the USA is God or something. Yea the USA has control over the whole world and we control everything that happens in it. gimme a fecking break.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the USA is not GOD, and we are not omnipotent. We don't have control over everything that happens in the world, we just happen to be the biggest target.

Funny how when you are the most powerful and prosperous country in the world you do also automatically become the biggest target, because it's human nature for all of these failed societies to blame all of their problems on us, because they, like you, think we are God and create all of the problems of the world

Well we aren't God, we don't have magic powers, we don't control everything that happens in all of these ****ty little countries.

Blame God, not US.

it's so fecking pathetic how these ****ed up little countries think we owe them anything. That the world thinks we owe them anything. hey, here's a clue, stop being terrorist assholes and we'll all go home, ever think of that? fecking idiots. You don't want drone strikes anymore? well then take care of the terrorists in your own fecking countries, and guess what, there will be no more drone strikes.

I don't believe in God.

Since the end of World War II, here is a list of just some of the nations the USA has been stationed in, in a military capacity:

West Germany
Austria
Japan
Philippines
China
South Korea
Italy
Greece
Israel
Taiwan
Vietnam
Egypt
Lebanon
Thailand
Laos
Dominican Republic
Cambodia
Grenada
Honduras
Panama
Colombia
Bolivia
Peru
Iran
Iraq
Kuwait
Afghanistan

If you would like to read the full list, here's the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...5.E2.80.931949

My point is that the USA has been involved in a lot of countries' political affairs in a military capacity and that regardless of the reasons why they were in the country (civil war, humanitarian, border conflict...) they have made enemies around the world and people don't forget that. A war can shape an entire generation. The arrogant attitudes you quite impressively displayed about "failed societies" and "****ty little countries" are exactly why so many people around the world despise the United States of America. It's not because they think America is God. It's because they think America is to blame for all of their problems; whether rightly or wrongly, they refer back to the USA meddling in their affairs as the reason why. Of course they do! If a foreign army stomps into your territory and leaves it in a worse condition than it was when they arrived, you're going to hate that foreign army. The USA has been involved in so many of the world's conflicts in the years since World War II.

The USA strikes deals with smaller nations for its own interests - it sells arms to Taiwan in order to help protect Taiwan from China? No, it sells arms to Taiwan so that it has an ally on China's turf in order to have a global presence. Taiwan needs the USA for security and the USA needs Taiwan to keep its rivals in check. The USA builds missile silos in eastern Europe in order to keep Russia in check. The USA supports South Korea in order to keep North Korea in check.

Russia sells arms to Vietnam in order to keep China and the USA in check. It's a real life game of Risk, and the countries who get played by the big countries will always feel resentment towards those countries for using them. Simple as.

lostalex 03-11-2013 01:25 PM

I love that list. and also notice how since ww2, the world has been more peaceful than any other time in history. thanks to who? the USA.

Let's compare to the wars going on BEFORE the USA became a superpower and stepped onto the world stage, and after.

There is a clear pattern. Life expectancies, access to medicine, democracy, has all INCREASED exponentially since the USA became world leaders. there's no disputing that.

There is absolutely ZERO doubt that since the USA became the strongest country in the world, the world has become a better place, a more peaceful place, a more prosperous place.

You would be speaking Russian and have a statue of Stalin in the middle of your town right now if it weren't for the USA.

Z 03-11-2013 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6464735)
I love that list. and also notice how since ww2, the world has been more peaceful than any other time in history. thanks to who? the USA.

Let's compare to the wars going on BEFORE the USA became a superpower and stepped onto the world stage, and after.

There is a clear pattern. Life expectancies, access to medicine, democracy, has all INCREASED exponentially since the USA became world leaders. there's no disputing that.

There is absolutely ZERO doubt that since the USA became the strongest country in the world, the world has become a better place, a more peaceful place, a more prosperous place.

You would be speaking Russian and have a statue of Stalin in the middle of your town right now if it weren't for the USA.

Tell that to the continent of Africa, or the countries of central Asia, or South East Asia or in poverty stricken eastern Europe. Life became better for the USA and any country that chose to cooperate with the USA when the USA became world leader. The world has not become more peaceful since WWII ended. The world hasn't seen any conflicts on the scale of WWII, but there have been plenty of conflicts, many of which are still on-going; and the USA is always right there in the thick of it defending its own interests. The improvements in medical care, science and technology are a result of a combination of factors, and not just "because the USA exists", that's extremely egotistical and simplistic. Have all of the world's great modern inventions come from the USA? No, they have not. Not by a long shot.

I could have been speaking German and have a statue of Hitler in the middle of my town if it weren't for the USSR. Or I could have been speaking French. "USA the great defender" is only a position assumed because the USA chooses to treat its spheres of influence in a positive way. Yet the USA also spies on its allies, reaps millions, billions, in repaid debts (e.g. World War II repatriations between the UK and the USA only ended relatively recently) and it's only because the USA uses terms like "special relationship" that there's a positive spin on these alliances.

Drone striking Pakistan with absolutely no warning is an act of terrorism. Bombing another country's territory. If Pakistan bombed the USA unannounced, the USA would be up in arms, literally, guns blazing and the Marines and Team 'Murca would be storming in there shooting all the terrorists and declaring it the United States of Pakistan. Why is it somehow an exception for the USA to do this to Pakistani territory? Tell me that. Don't tell me about how great a country the USA is and how crap the rest of the world is, tell me why the USA does things like this. Is the answer because the USA has its own agenda and it doesn't really give a **** about democracy as such, all it really cares about is being #1 and keeping Iran, China, Russia and any other major power from usurping its position? That's what I see. It's what I see any time I read the news and hear about the USA's military being involved in yet another conflict.

arista 03-11-2013 02:12 PM

Pakistan Reviews US Ties After Taliban Death

Bloody Right

http://news.sky.com/story/1163245/pa...-taliban-death

lostalex 03-11-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6464787)
Pakistan Reviews US Ties After Taliban Death

Bloody Right

http://news.sky.com/story/1163245/pa...-taliban-death

lol, didn't they say the same thing 2 years ago when we killed Bin Laden?

"HOW DARE THOSE BLOODY AMERICANS COME ONTO OUR SOVERIEGN LAND AND KILL THE MOST EVIL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, HOW BLOODY DARE THEY!!!" "WE WON'T STAND FOR THIS!!!" *stamps feet* :joker:

Z 03-11-2013 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6464830)
lol, didn't they say the same thing 2 years ago when we killed Bin Laden?

"HOW DARE THOSE BLOODY AMERICANS COME ONTO OUR SOVERIEGN LAND AND KILL THE MOST EVIL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, HOW BLOODY DARE THEY!!!" "WE WON'T STAND FOR THIS!!!" *stamps feet* :joker:

I don't think they were annoyed about Osama Bin Laden being killed, they were annoyed about the USA invading their territory and killing people without so much as informing Pakistan they'd be on their territory. Which is the point I was making in my previous post which you've chosen to not respond to. That's why so many countries have a deepseated hatred of the USA - it's not because they're jealous or they think America is some kind of "God", it's because the USA has wronged many countries and nobody's done anything about it because America's the global leader and nobody wants to fall out of line.

Sometimes it's like watching the jock beat up the nerd for no reason and nobody helping the nerd stand up again because they don't want the jock to beat them up too. Other times it's like watching Superman defeat the villain when nobody else had the strength to do it themselves. But regardless of how the scenario is perceived, somebody has been left feeling victimised by the USA because the USA is always the one interfering in international affairs.


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