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Vicky. 10-03-2014 08:40 PM

How the hell does IDS keep his job?
 
Forget which party you support for a second, have a read of this and tell me if you think barefaced lying to this degree, in the job that he is in is acceptable...

http://bit.ly/1cKwRmb

I know this is a blog, but every thing that is said in it is backed up by official links/figures and such

I honestly do not get how he hasn't been sacked yet...can he be sacked? If not, why not? If he can, why the **** hasn't Cameron done it... He is making an utter laughing stock of the coalition tbh. I honestly don't think they would get even HALF of the grief that they get without this numpty running such an important department...

Kizzy 10-03-2014 08:58 PM

'He then claimed the DWP had a billion pounds to support people facing benefit sanctions, including Crisis Loans. He seems to have forgotten that he abolished Crisis Loans in April last year.'

Says it all, incompetant fool.
Total knob!

'Most of the information provided by the Work and Pensions Secretary wasn’t factually accurate, but at least Andrew Neil had the guts to ask some of the questions this blog did not expect from him.

Let’s be honest, though – he bottled the Big One. The Elephant in the Studio was the number of people who have died due to the Incapacity Benefit/ESA sanctions regime imposed by Iain Duncan Smith (never mind Labour’s early involvement; it’s a Tory baby now) and policed by Atos (although the firm has realised this is commercial suicide and is trying to get out of the contract)'

http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014...-duncan-smith/

joeysteele 10-03-2014 09:39 PM

I have to try to avoid even talking about Ian Duncan Smith as he makes me really angry.

I am sick of the devastation I see that his policies, backed by the Conservative party and disgracefully supported by the Lib Dems too,have brought to the lives of those who are really vulnerable and 100% genuinely sick and disabled.

The man is at best a political conman, he dismisses in an instant all information and warnings from charitable welfare and carers organisations and pushes on regardless.
I am almost sure David Cameron wanted to move him in a re-shuffle a couple of years ago but he,it was reported, refused to be moved from work and pensions.

This man is the most vile politician in any party in the whole of the UK,his reforms are causing massive worry, distrss, depression with panic too among the very people he claims his reforms are to protect.
He argued that everyone on benefits needed to be re-assessed and along with all new claimants would be seen face to face at such assessments.
A great number of the decisions where people have had benefits stopped or cut have only been paper decisions, the people not seen face to face at all.
I have come across no less than 98 of such decisions and I have then seen all of them won on appeal after a fair few weeks of reduced or even no benefits meantime with the DWP dragging its heels.

What this miserable rotten, failed politician is doing having any say at all as to peoples lives and incomes is totally beyond me.
As I have said many times before, even his own party would 'not' trust him to lead them into even just one elction, getting rid of him as leader before he could do so.

He is smug, arrogant, full of his own self imnportance but worse still he is gutless, cowardly and heartless because the only people he can take on and get at are the weakest,poorest and most vulnerable in the UK.

For crying out loud,he is supposed to be a practising Christian too, he is for me the biggest turn off as to christianity, what a rotten example of it he is.
I really hope he finds himself consigned to the political dustbin in 2015,taking the hardness of his vile, unjust and heartless policies with him too.

Kate! 10-03-2014 09:40 PM

:fist: he's a bloody dickhead. Talks ****e.

Vicky. 10-03-2014 09:42 PM

For me, I think if he really believed his reforms are badly needed, if he really believed they were helping...he wouldnt feel the need to lie about them :shrug:

joeysteele 10-03-2014 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6749763)
For me, I think if he really believed his reforms are badly needed, if he really believed they were helping...he wouldnt feel the need to lie about them :shrug:



That is actually the only thing he is good at.

the truth 10-03-2014 10:06 PM

a workshy drunken bot smoking prank monkey could do a better job that this lip sweating bag of bulloney ........the cream on his cake of utter BS has to be the housing benefits all being paid direct to tennants.....hmmmm guess what, the monies are all stolen, much is wasted on drugs, booze and fags, the house falls into disrepair as the tennant landlord relationships turn go to hell and the landlord takes a few months turfing the tennants out.....so the houses fall apart, the landlords lose all their rent and faces £1000s in damages.....and the tennants end up moving from house to house stelaing more money until it catches up with them and they end up homeless......meanwhile loads of the biggets homeowners have stated already they wont rent any of their tens of thousands of homes to social security because its being paid direct to tennants.....so theres tens of thousands more homeless on the way.....marvellous bravo IDS

user104658 10-03-2014 10:29 PM

The whole system is deeply concerning if you think about it. The people in power, in control of all of our lives, are career politicians and nothing more. All they have ever wanted to be... politicians. SURELY - for EVERY department of government - the person in charge should be someone who has vast education AND real experience of working in that sector at a high level? Someone in IDS's position should have MULTIPLE degrees in various arts and social sciences. Sociology, psychology, economics, and more. And should come up through a career path that is directly relevant to their position... they should know it inside out, and understand the issues faced perfectly.

Basically, these positions - ALL high level government positions - should be filled by the greatest minds that our country has to offer. To achieve the rank of prime minister, a person should have to be a clear and certified genius with a list of qualifications as long as your arm, and a demonstrable philosopher in their own right.

The reality is a cluster of blundering, power hungry little boys, of distinctly average intelligence, from a select few schools... who get to where they are by being from privileged backgrounds, through knowing the right people, and by playing the right games.

If it weren't for the unholy mess that I see every time I walk down the streets of any town and every time I turn on the news, it would seem like it must be an actual joke.

the truth 11-03-2014 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6749819)
The whole system is deeply concerning if you think about it. The people in power, in control of all of our lives, are career politicians and nothing more. All they have ever wanted to be... politicians. SURELY - for EVERY department of government - the person in charge should be someone who has vast education AND real experience of working in that sector at a high level? Someone in IDS's position should have MULTIPLE degrees in various arts and social sciences. Sociology, psychology, economics, and more. And should come up through a career path that is directly relevant to their position... they should know it inside out, and understand the issues faced perfectly.

Basically, these positions - ALL high level government positions - should be filled by the greatest minds that our country has to offer. To achieve the rank of prime minister, a person should have to be a clear and certified genius with a list of qualifications as long as your arm, and a demonstrable philosopher in their own right.

The reality is a cluster of blundering, power hungry little boys, of distinctly average intelligence, from a select few schools... who get to where they are by being from privileged backgrounds, through knowing the right people, and by playing the right games.

If it weren't for the unholy mess that I see every time I walk down the streets of any town and every time I turn on the news, it would seem like it must be an actual joke.

yeah I go along with this, dealing with people with no real life experience is often impossible. I actually supported some of the principles behind getting healthy people back to work and off a lifetime of benefits. but the key to that is bridging the income gap between benefits and work. thats where working tax credits needed to be improved clarified and simplified. IDS totally failed in that and has created this new disaster which solves nothing and creates zillions more problems that will destroy innocent people. my concern is for the sick the weak , the elderly and the disabled. I have no sympathy for the healthy workshy

Kate! 11-03-2014 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6749819)
The whole system is deeply concerning if you think about it. The people in power, in control of all of our lives, are career politicians and nothing more. All they have ever wanted to be... politicians. SURELY - for EVERY department of government - the person in charge should be someone who has vast education AND real experience of working in that sector at a high level? Someone in IDS's position should have MULTIPLE degrees in various arts and social sciences. Sociology, psychology, economics, and more. And should come up through a career path that is directly relevant to their position... they should know it inside out, and understand the issues faced perfectly.

Basically, these positions - ALL high level government positions - should be filled by the greatest minds that our country has to offer. To achieve the rank of prime minister, a person should have to be a clear and certified genius with a list of qualifications as long as your arm, and a demonstrable philosopher in their own right.

The reality is a cluster of blundering, power hungry little boys, of distinctly average intelligence, from a select few schools... who get to where they are by being from privileged backgrounds, through knowing the right people, and by playing the right games.

If it weren't for the unholy mess that I see every time I walk down the streets of any town and every time I turn on the news, it would seem like it must be an actual joke.

Great post, very eloquently put, an apt summation of how it should be. Sadly we'll never get anywhere close to these standards, the circle will continue, there's always more braying idiots moving up in the ranks, they have a stranglehold on power :( it's so frustrating.

Joeysteele for pm please :pipe:

user104658 11-03-2014 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6749988)
yeah I go along with this, dealing with people with no real life experience is often impossible. I actually supported some of the principles behind getting healthy people back to work and off a lifetime of benefits. but the key to that is bridging the income gap between benefits and work. thats where working tax credits needed to be improved clarified and simplified. IDS totally failed in that and has created this new disaster which solves nothing and creates zillions more problems that will destroy innocent people. my concern is for the sick the weak , the elderly and the disabled. I have no sympathy for the healthy workshy

I have little sympathy for anyone who is truly "workshy" although aid question how "healthy" those people actually are, emotionally, socially, mentally... Because the town I work in (thankfully, no longer LIVE in...) Has a high level of unemployment, and it looks like an absolutely miserable existence. There's no reason fathomable that anyone would choose it unless they've totally given up on life and on themselves as individuals.

I have sympathy for those physically unable to work who are currently being pushed to the brink, but also, for the millions who want nothing more than to work and bring in half decent money but are unable to find employment, or get full time hours. The figures are being fiddled at the moment, showing unemployment dropping in certain areas, but all that means is that people "have a job". Too many of those jobs are just a few hours a week. it's not "true" employment. And while its true that at any given time there are "jobs out there", the truth is, there simply aren't enough working hours for everyone who wants them. If anything, I feel the MOST sympathy for someone who is truly ready, willing and able to work hard but is turned down time and time again because the jobs they go for have hundreds of applicants. and then they're branded "lazy" or "a "scrounger". It's completely unfair.

Verbal 11-03-2014 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6749614)
Forget which party you support for a second, have a read of this and tell me if you think barefaced lying to this degree, in the job that he is in is acceptable...

http://bit.ly/1cKwRmb

I know this is a blog, but every thing that is said in it is backed up by official links/figures and such

I honestly do not get how he hasn't been sacked yet...can he be sacked? If not, why not? If he can, why the **** hasn't Cameron done it... He is making an utter laughing stock of the coalition tbh. I honestly don't think they would get even HALF of the grief that they get without this numpty running such an important department...

He is a Tory carrying out Tory policies, as far as the (Tory) government is concerned he is doing his job. The Tories have always been the same, they are capitalists, its why they sold off Royal Mail, so that their buddies could earn some money from something that belonged to the people.

If he left the job, as long as their is a Tory government they will bring someone of the same ilk in to do the job.

The only way to out him and his buddies would be a revolution, 99% of this country are too busy watching soaps though to care.

Verbal 11-03-2014 09:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTtYx2OHc

joeysteele 11-03-2014 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6750041)
I have little sympathy for anyone who is truly "workshy" although aid question how "healthy" those people actually are, emotionally, socially, mentally... Because the town I work in (thankfully, no longer LIVE in...) Has a high level of unemployment, and it looks like an absolutely miserable existence. There's no reason fathomable that anyone would choose it unless they've totally given up on life and on themselves as individuals.

I have sympathy for those physically unable to work who are currently being pushed to the brink, but also, for the millions who want nothing more than to work and bring in half decent money but are unable to find employment, or get full time hours. The figures are being fiddled at the moment, showing unemployment dropping in certain areas, but all that means is that people "have a job". Too many of those jobs are just a few hours a week. it's not "true" employment. And while its true that at any given time there are "jobs out there", the truth is, there simply aren't enough working hours for everyone who wants them. If anything, I feel the MOST sympathy for someone who is truly ready, willing and able to work hard but is turned down time and time again because the jobs they go for have hundreds of applicants. and then they're branded "lazy" or "a "scrounger". It's completely unfair.



How totally accurate again Toy Soldier,it is ridiculous that part time work and work that only gives a few hours a week are called being in full employment now.Also of course the scandal of zero hours contracts too.

The other fact is that although many jobs have been saved by this move,the only thing in its favour,I know for instance from the staff in the supermarket I use that they used to have 37 hours a week as their working hours.
However,now with new contracts and new assesmments, just about everyone in the company has lost between 1 and 3 hours off their working week.
That leaves them at least between £8 and £25 worse off then they were before every week.

As you say the unemployment/employment figures are being likely heavily distorted and a great deal more people than ever before are only in part time work.
In fact also a great number of the 'new' vacancies are only part time jobs too.

user104658 11-03-2014 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 6750085)
How totally accurate again Toy Soldier,it is ridiculous that part time work and work that only gives a few hours a week are called being in full employment now.Also of course the scandal of zero hours contracts too.

The other fact is that although many jobs have been saved by this move,the only thing in its favour,I know for instance from the staff in the supermarket I use that they used to have 37 hours a week as their working hours.
However,now with new contracts and new assesmments, just about everyone in the company has lost between 1 and 3 hours off their working week.
That leaves them at least between £8 and £25 worse off then they were before every week.

As you say the unemployment/employment figures are being likely heavily distorted and a great deal more people than ever before are only in part time work.
In fact also a great number of the 'new' vacancies are only part time jobs too.

The company I work for basically only takes new staff on 20 hour contracts these days, has been that way since there was an abundance of jobseekers (they know they can fill the roles within days... hours, in many cases, and with intelligent and usually OVERqualified staff). Their reasoning is that it creates less of a problem when it comes to holidays / sickness. They know that people will gladly take overtime. So, for example, you have someone on a 20 hour contract but usually working 10 to 15 hours of overtime a week - so they are (really) a full time staff member, only most of their pay shows as overtime. But their holiday pay is for 20 hours, and if they go off sick for a week, they're only entitled to 20 hours of sick pay.

Worse still - they will take on casual staff on 8 to 16 hour contracts to fill understaffing gaps even when they KNOW that there are current staff members who are desperate for an increase in contract hours.

In the past they couldn't mess around like this because the entry role can't be done by "just anyone" - although it doesn't require higher education qualifications, it does require a certain level of intelligence. I swear the company is mainly staffed by University drop-outs and people who have been made redundant from much better jobs. Anyway, I was saying, in the past they had to keep staff happy because they could be left short staffed for months if people ended up quitting... but now, for one, they know people are unlikely to leave because finding alternative employment (especially that pays over minimum wage, which is one thing they do at least still do) and also they know that as soon as they advertise the position, dozens of suitable people will be scrabbling to hand in a CV.

the truth 11-03-2014 06:55 PM

our methods of ,measuring economic well being and growth are totally inadequate and outdated. worse still the measures we do have are being skewed and perverted, so as to make them almost meaningless


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