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MrMinaj 11-08-2014 09:30 PM

Why do viewers these days seem to support one housemate and hate their opponent?
 
I like Ashleigh AND Helen. Infact i voted for them BOTH this week a couple of times.
Fair enough, i don't like them much as people, but as housemates they have been great.

I dont understand why people on forums have wars and blindly support one housemate, whilst attacking another simply because they are that housemates rival.

SocietyIsRuined 11-08-2014 09:49 PM

Electioneering. People think that taking votes off their rival will gain votes for their favourite. When the people who like Helen will never vote for Ashleigh and vice versa.

mrflibble 11-08-2014 09:53 PM

I never have on purpose. I hated Helen from the beginning and liked Ashleigh from the beginning. When they became 'opponents', I just happened to agree with most of what Ashleigh says and nothing of what Helen says, but it's not because they are opponents. I couldn't care less about that.

Firewire 11-08-2014 10:15 PM

I want Ashleigh to win but I like Helen, too, as she's brought a lot to the series. She's been the complete central character throughout. She may be aggressive and nasty, but there's something about her, as a housemate, I like.

Tarryn 11-08-2014 10:17 PM

I don't have a passionate support for any HM really.
I just like Chris, Christopher & Ashleigh.
But there is something about Helen that brings out the worst in me...........

Jordan. 11-08-2014 10:20 PM

because people take the show too seriously

Mystic Mock 11-08-2014 10:23 PM

I don't, I like both of them, but I do get annoyed when people treat Ashleigh as a Saint while Helen's the Devil.

Achilles 11-08-2014 10:28 PM

I hate nasty bullies. I don't hate victims. I support them. I don't change my morals and perspective on life just because I am watching a TV show. Helen is a vile human being.

Crimson Dynamo 11-08-2014 10:29 PM

Your right, its digusting the way opeople support the beautiful Ashleigh but hate on the bully-hag helen

Achilles 11-08-2014 10:30 PM

What I find even more disgusting than Helen herself is that a national newspaper is actively supporting a nasty bully. That makes me sick to my stomach.

Mystic Mock 11-08-2014 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7157024)
Your right, its digusting the way opeople support the beautiful Ashleigh but hate on the bully-hag helen

But what about Dexter vs Callum last year? Gina vs Hazel last year? and a very famous one is Nikki vs Aislyne (or however you spell that name) from BB7?

Mystic Mock 11-08-2014 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achilles (Post 7157032)
What I find even more disgusting than Helen herself is that a national newspaper is actively supporting a nasty bully. That makes me sick to my stomach.

If you think that Helen is a bully then you need to watch BBUSA16 episode 21, because what happened to Frankie was bullying, not what Helen does on BBUK.

smudgie 11-08-2014 10:38 PM

Always get rivalry towards the end, just seems a bit nastier this year.

Much more fun observing it all without an actual favourite, you tend to get a clearer view of things:laugh:

Pav to win I say...least nasty one in there this year.
Shame he went in so late and has no chance:shrug:

Achilles 11-08-2014 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mockinator (Post 7157062)
If you think that Helen is a bully then you need to watch BBUSA16 episode 21, because what happened to Frankie was bullying, not what Helen does on BBUK.

Don't tell me what bullying is. Helen is a nasty bully end of story. I have witnessed her bullying. She bullied Christopher and Jale.

Marsh. 11-08-2014 10:40 PM

Probably because they can only support Ashleigh because she isn't Helen.

There's not anything else to her.

Mystic Mock 11-08-2014 10:48 PM

No one has been bullied this series personally for me, the only debatable one for me was Pauline on Jale, all the other stuff that's happened has been cruel and spiteful, but certainly not bullying, as I've said look at that episode of BBUSA16 and you would see what real bullying is.

Miranda123 11-08-2014 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMinaj (Post 7156532)
I like Ashleigh AND Helen. Infact i voted for them BOTH this week a couple of times.
Fair enough, i don't like them much as people, but as housemates they have been great.

I dont understand why people on forums have wars and blindly support one housemate, whilst attacking another simply because they are that housemates rival.

Its weird that you like both, I couldnt

whose side are you on when they argue

and please dont say whoevers right, thats soo boring!

DanielLuis 11-08-2014 11:16 PM

It always happens. The favourite going into the last weeks always gets a hate campaign thrown at them if they reach the final, and it usually works, unfortunately in some cases.

Jack_ 11-08-2014 11:26 PM

I agree, finally someone with sense :clap1:

I get so bored of people every year taking sides in house feuds. We aren't living with them, we aren't their friends. Who cares whether your favourite doesn't like someone else? Or that someone insulted your favourite? It doesn't mean you have to dislike them too. You aren't them and you aren't living with them. It takes two to tango and it makes no sense to want one person that's a part of a feud or rivalry to be evicted since it then ends it? What's the point in that? By all means give your opinion on who you think is in the right and wrong - that's what this show is all about after all - but don't try and prevent those discussions from happening by taking a side and wanting the other person out.

It happens every series - Callum and Dexter, Linda and Jim, Hazel and Gina, Ashleigh and Helen. It makes no sense. Just stop and appreciate what they all bring to the show.

Macie Lightfoot 11-08-2014 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mockinator (Post 7157062)
If you think that Helen is a bully then you need to watch BBUSA16 episode 21, because what happened to Frankie was bullying, not what Helen does on BBUK.

You're being facetious right

Marsh. 12-08-2014 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mockinator (Post 7157129)
No one has been bullied this series personally for me, the only debatable one for me was Pauline on Jale, all the other stuff that's happened has been cruel and spiteful, but certainly not bullying, as I've said look at that episode of BBUSA16 and you would see what real bullying is.

Outside of the Jale/Pauline/Helen stuff I don't think there's been any bullying, but just because another incident is worse doesn't mean something less isn't bullying. There are varying degrees.

Cal. 12-08-2014 12:08 AM

Helen isn't a bully to whoever said that, and its simply because I dislike Ashleigh.

Macie Lightfoot 12-08-2014 12:12 AM

Anyways, if I'm going to enjoy both sides of a feud I need to enjoy what they bring. I don't appreciate what Helen's brought and I've made plenty of posts about how her presence has really ruined the series. Similarly, Jim Davidson is a repugnant person and I never enjoy watching sexism play out on television in real time, I still don't know what Dexter brought to the show a year later and it seems like no one else does because everyone just insists he was great but then can never name any Dexter moments or anything, and Hazel was similar in that she just existed for Gina to administer physical pain to (and again, Hazel was horrendously awful at arguing so she's not the fierce bitch everyone tries to make her out to be.) I don't know, I think there's fundamental differences between those types of feuds and then feuds like Jungle Cats/Lip Gloss Bitches and Aisleyne/Nikki/Lea.

I don't know how I was able to type all of that because I'm still hysterically laughing at the notion of Frankie J Grande being bullied. If you're going to use BBUS as an example of Raw n Rull bullying, at least cite BB15 just to appear to have some credibility, ya know?

joeysteele 12-08-2014 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mockinator (Post 7157062)
If you think that Helen is a bully then you need to watch BBUSA16 episode 21, because what happened to Frankie was bullying, not what Helen does on BBUK.

Well said Mock, there has been no bullying on BBUK this series.
The closest we got to that was Pauline and Toya when they were nominating
Christopher and trying to brainwash him into feeling inadequate as if he shouldn't be there and had no right to be there at all.

Nothing Helen has done is bullying, she has been aggressive, loud and very unpleasant but in no way bullying.

Robodog 12-08-2014 01:52 AM

People need a good guy and a bad guy.

Years of formulaic american movies has conditioned us to expect this classic set up.

It's in movies, soap operas, even the news! and BB is no exception.

The BB crowd - now more than ever - need someone to chant out each week.

This year it has been Pauline, Toya, Helen, Ashleigh, Danielle, Steven and Mark who have all been in the firing line for the role of 'bad guy' at some point.

And having identified the bad guy - we then look around for 'the hero'.

Right now - Helen gets the 'bad guy' badge (aided by the BB tasks and edit) and Ashleigh has been given the 'good guy' badge. Even though a few weeks ago (after her 'evil plan' - Ashleigh was the bad guy)

People then pour all their years worth of 'bad guy' emotions onto the current figure of 'bad guy' - hence we are now at the stage of people mentioning Hitler in the same breath as Helen on forums!

People also excuse and ignore the bad traits of 'good guy' as they want their hero to be whiter than white as the good v bad scenario is played out before us.

I have no doubt at all that if Helen had been evicted 6 weeks ago - there would be someone else in there right now filling the role of 'bad guy'. Probably Ashleigh or Chris.

It's kind of unfair on the HMs who are pawns in the BB game of good v bad, but after 15 years on the screen - it's no surprise really.

It began with Nick v Craig in series 1 and kept on rolling..


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