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elliebrew 21-01-2015 11:24 PM

Katie h and her integrity and strength.
 
THE BIG DIFFERENCE

Between Katie H and Perez is this

Whatever Katie says or does, there is strong conviction behind it which she's willing to debate and take on the counter argument.

She doesn't get offended, she sensibly talks through issues and accepts the other person opinion.

What Perez is doing is playing the bigot card with zero conviction just to shut down a conversation he doesn't want to or is incapable of debating.

If he accused certain views she may have on things as homophobic in the course of a debate relating to gay issues then (while I'm sure she might disagree) she would take it on board.

But that wasn't the case.

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-1...brother-debate

Jack The Cat 21-01-2015 11:31 PM

A very good argument imo.:clap1::douf:

elliebrew 21-01-2015 11:32 PM

Katie has never tried to label him with any of the 'rule breaker key words' in a bid to actually have him removed.
As a gay guy any straight person defending Perez pulling out the Homophobic card in an attempt to play the game can simply do one. Michelle was right, he's undermines our fight with every word out of his mouth.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 21-01-2015 11:33 PM

lol

wendywillow 21-01-2015 11:34 PM

kaite h is trying too hard. I think she was afraid it really was becoming the 'perez show' and now she's trying to garner the spotlight (a bit too hard)

elliebrew 21-01-2015 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wendywillow (Post 7516959)
kaite h is trying too hard. I think she was afraid it really was becoming the 'perez show' and now she's trying to garner the spotlight (a bit too hard)

disagree, she's been on point from day 1.

Amy Jade 21-01-2015 11:36 PM

:clap1:

Frankly if she were homophobic why does Katie love Kav? remember she saved him during the tree live task. Perez is just goading her like he did Alexander.

wendywillow 21-01-2015 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7516955)
Katie has never tried to label him with any of the 'rule breaker key words' in a bid to actually have him removed.
As a gay guy any straight person defending Perez pulling out the Homophobic card in an attempt to play the game can simply do one. Michelle was right, he's undermines our fight with every word out of his mouth.

didn't she throw the 'bully' word out there?

elliebrew 22-01-2015 12:06 AM

no she didn't

Brother Leon 22-01-2015 12:33 AM

"She doesn't get offended"

Stopped reading after that.

Tip 22-01-2015 05:53 AM

I agree there are differences, but unfortunately for both of them are the similarities, which have been good for us the viewers.

Perez is silly and Katies' pompous diatribe indeed reduced by Perez to nothing by silliness. No big deal though.

jennyjuniper 22-01-2015 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7516933)
THE BIG DIFFERENCE

Between Katie H and Perez is this

Whatever Katie says or does, there is strong conviction behind it which she's willing to debate and take on the counter argument.

She doesn't get offended, she sensibly talks through issues and accepts the other person opinion.

What Perez is doing is playing the bigot card with zero conviction just to shut down a conversation he doesn't want to or is incapable of debating.

If he accused certain views she may have on things as homophobic in the course of a debate relating to gay issues then (while I'm sure she might disagree) she would take it on board.

But that wasn't the case.

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-1...brother-debate

I totally agree. Perez admitted that he would look for housemates weaknesses and exploit them and using the homophobic card is one I expected him to use.
Remember at the start of the show in the task where he verbally attacked Katy H? She put her hand lightly on his arm and he reacted as if she had struck him.
This is what Perez does. Takes a tiny little thing and makes it a huge offensive action.

Beso 22-01-2015 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7516955)
Katie has never tried to label him with any of the 'rule breaker key words' in a bid to actually have him removed.
As a gay guy any straight person defending Perez pulling out the Homophobic card in an attempt to play the game can simply do one. Michelle was right, he's undermines our fight with every word out of his mouth.

lol

Cherie 22-01-2015 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wendywillow (Post 7516959)
kaite h is trying too hard. I think she was afraid it really was becoming the 'perez show' and now she's trying to garner the spotlight (a bit too hard)

.

Josy 22-01-2015 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wendywillow (Post 7516959)
kaite h is trying too hard. I think she was afraid it really was becoming the 'perez show' and now she's trying to garner the spotlight (a bit too hard)

Glad other people are beginning to see through the act.

Beso 22-01-2015 07:39 AM

she's a walking hypocrite, slagging perez for playing up to the cameras then goes and gets her face tanned before going out in the garden in the middle of winter with some tin foil..Christ.

joeysteele 22-01-2015 08:26 AM

She is strong I give her that,however as to her integrity,well what she says comes from prejudices she has and her perceived views of others which are often derogatory towards them, no matter the reaons they are in the position or condition they are.

They are also views of people she looks down on and sees as beneath her so her integrity if she has any is badly flawed by the use of those prejudices to generalise on groups of people.
That for me, is not something to be admired in anyone, that they judge and condemn people out of their own prejudices and in Katie Hopkins case, unjustifiable views of them too.

So I have to overall disagee with the op as to that.

Jack The Cat 22-01-2015 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7517450)
She is strong I give her that as to her integrity,well what she says comes from prejudices she has and her perceived views of others which are often derogatory towards them, no matter the reaons they are in the position or condition they are.

They are also views of people she looks down on and sees as beneath her so her integrity if she has any is badly flawed by the use of those prejudices to generalise on groups of people.
That for me, is not something to be admired in anyone, that they judge and condemn people out of their own prejudices and in Katie Hopkins case, unjustifiable views of them too.

So I have to overall disagee with the op as to that.

Well argued. :douf:

RockBottom 22-01-2015 08:45 AM

The only thing that comes into my head when I think about Hopkins is an iceberg. :shrug:

Angelika 22-01-2015 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7516933)
THE BIG DIFFERENCE

Between Katie H and Perez is this

Whatever Katie says or does, there is strong conviction behind it which she's willing to debate and take on the counter argument.

She doesn't get offended, she sensibly talks through issues and accepts the other person opinion.

What Perez is doing is playing the bigot card with zero conviction just to shut down a conversation he doesn't want to or is incapable of debating.

If he accused certain views she may have on things as homophobic in the course of a debate relating to gay issues then (while I'm sure she might disagree) she would take it on board.

But that wasn't the case.

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-1...brother-debate


Katie Hopkins shuts everyone down with one big intimidating shout.
What a very nasty woman, she's digging a very large hole - soon she'll fall into it.

Samm 22-01-2015 09:12 PM

Agreed OP :clap1:


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