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DemolitionRed 08-04-2015 03:53 PM

Do the Tories pose a threat to NHS?
 
This is a very enlightening film that I watched around 6 months ago. Its about a group of doctors trying to save the NHS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ultKvnw2h3Q

Whilst the Conservatives are presently accusing Labour of a 'stitch up', Dr Clare Geranda, a former chairman of the Royal College of GPs - accused the Tories of 'denationalising healthcare'.

Is the fault line too fractured to repair or are we about to witness the American version of medicine on our doorstep?

joeysteele 08-04-2015 05:19 PM

Yes they do and anyone who cares for the NHS and its basic principles 'for all' who trust it to this Conservative leader and his govt; again are in my view, making a massive error.

Crimson Dynamo 08-04-2015 05:23 PM

No, inefficiency and waste is the main danger

user104658 08-04-2015 05:27 PM

"pose a threat"? They've already destroyed it.

JoshBB 08-04-2015 05:28 PM

Yes they do. Crippling austerity has been awful for the public services. If they win another election I fear we are a step even further to privatisation.

Crimson Dynamo 08-04-2015 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7689596)
"pose a threat"? They've already destroyed it.


well I was in there with my dad a few weeks back and all seemed well in a brand new hospital

:rolleyes:

Pete. 08-04-2015 05:33 PM

No, Labour would destroy it howeva

joeysteele 08-04-2015 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7689596)
"pose a threat"? They've already destroyed it.

pretty much, they have got it near run down in the last 5 years again that it took them 18 years to do before.

All ready to bring in nice and cheaply private concerns to 'relieve' the financial burden of the NHS on the State.

5 more years with this PM and his extreme cabinet in charge of it and it will be unrecognisable, in my view,in a very bad way for those who would be unable to pay for healthcare.

Cameron lied in 2010 as to the NHS and he should never be believed on it again after that disastrous, not voted for, not supported and imposed top down re-organisation, which he said would never happen under his govt:

A total political liar, who should never be trusted again with the NHS.

hijaxers 08-04-2015 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7689604)
well I was in there with my dad a few weeks back and all seemed well in a brand new hospital

:rolleyes:

That would be a hospital labour built would it ?

hijaxers 08-04-2015 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7689605)
No, Labour would destroy it howeva

What total tripe

Crimson Dynamo 08-04-2015 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hijaxers (Post 7689616)
That would be a hospital labour built would it ?

well its just few years old and i think it was Balfour Beatty

user104658 08-04-2015 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7689604)
well I was in there with my dad a few weeks back and all seemed well in a brand new hospital

:rolleyes:

It's not just going to close over night, it's a behemoth, it's death rattle will last decades. The current government has set events in motion that will result in the gradual dismantling of the NHS. Events that are unstoppable now. So like I said: it's already destroyed.

I would also point out that the Scottish have been sheltered from a lot of it because significant portions of NHS Scotland (which is run separately to the rest of the NHS) operate under devolved powers.

Crimson Dynamo 08-04-2015 05:43 PM

another reason to vote SNP

Kizzy 08-04-2015 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7689615)
pretty much, they have got it near run down in the last 5 years again that it took them 18 years to do before.

All ready to bring in nice and cheaply private concerns to 'relieve' the financial burden of the NHS on the State.

5 more years with this PM and his extreme cabinet in charge of it and it will be unrecognisable, in my view,in a very bad way for those who would be unable to pay for healthcare.

Cameron lied in 2010 as to the NHS and he should never be believed on it again after that disastrous, not voted for, not supported and imposed top down re-organisation, which he said would never happen under his govt:

A total political liar, who should never be trusted again with the NHS.

100% agree Joey, and I would say DR that that is how I would describe it too, denationalisation.

user104658 08-04-2015 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7689623)
well its just few years old and i think it was Balfour Beatty

Unless it was thrown together in record time, then I would think planning and construction must have started earlier than 2010.

JoshBB 08-04-2015 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7689605)
No, Labour would destroy it howeva

How and why would they? They even created it.

arista 08-04-2015 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7689596)
"pose a threat"? They've already destroyed it.



Wrong New Labours Browns Evil PFI
did


FACT

JoshBB 08-04-2015 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 7689654)
Wrong New Labours Browns Evil PFI
did


FACT

Just because you yell FACT doesn't change that what you just said was an opinion.

Crimson Dynamo 08-04-2015 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 7689654)
Wrong New Labours Browns Evil PFI
did


FACT

:clap1:

arista 08-04-2015 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 7689663)
Just because you yell FACT doesn't change that what you just said was an opinion.


You are young


But New Labour
set up High Pay back PFI Loans
on Hospitals

That Stinks

Kizzy 08-04-2015 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 7689654)
Wrong New Labours Browns Evil PFI
did


FACT

Nope,

PFI uses private money for major public sector capital projects. The private company builds and owns the facility, which is then leased back to the state, in exchange for regular repayments. It was initiated in the UK by John Major's government in 1992 - but was expanded under Labour after 1997. The first project operational is the Severn River crossings, which started operating in April 1992.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...contracts-list

arista 08-04-2015 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7689665)
:clap1:


Yes Evil thing to do
on hospitals

Crimson Dynamo 08-04-2015 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7689672)
Nope,

PFI uses private money for major public sector capital projects. The private company builds and owns the facility, which is then leased back to the state, in exchange for regular repayments. It was initiated in the UK by John Major's government in 1992 - but was expanded under Labour after 1997. The first project operational is the Severn River crossings, which started operating in April 1992.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...contracts-list

source

the guardian


:laugh2:

arista 08-04-2015 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7689672)
Nope,

PFI uses private money for major public sector capital projects. The private company builds and owns the facility, which is then leased back to the state, in exchange for regular repayments. It was initiated in the UK by John Major's government in 1992 - but was expanded under Labour after 1997. The first project operational is the Severn River crossings, which started operating in April 1992.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...contracts-list


Yes but New Labour
made it far worse
Fecking Fact

Kizzy 08-04-2015 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7689674)
source

the guardian


:laugh2:

What's the issue with the Guardian?...


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