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JoshBB 25-09-2015 05:42 PM

Political ideologies between socialism & social democracy?
 
I'm trying to find an ideology that best describes my beliefs.. but I'm not too sure if there is one that is accurate enough?

I think that socialism is possibly just slightly too left for me, whereas social democracy is too centrist. Is there anything in-between that?

I used the descriptor 'progressive' before, but I've found that it is actually far too broad and there are even right-wing parties describing themselves as that.

arista 25-09-2015 05:54 PM

Your Conserv/LibDem

JoshBB 25-09-2015 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 8178944)
Your Conserv/LibDem

:laugh:

Nice try. This is a serious question though, I steer more towards socialism than social democracy if that helps?

Livia 25-09-2015 06:05 PM

Communist? just a guess... the left is not my area of expertise, Josh. You may not have noticed :-)

kirklancaster 25-09-2015 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8178978)
Communist? just a guess... the left is not my area of expertise, Josh. You may not have noticed :-)

:laugh:

I think Josh is just on the verge of being a UKIPPER. :hehe:

bots 25-09-2015 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 8178896)
I'm trying to find an ideology that best describes my beliefs.. but I'm not too sure if there is one that is accurate enough?

I think that socialism is possibly just slightly too left for me, whereas social democracy is too centrist. Is there anything in-between that?

I used the descriptor 'progressive' before, but I've found that it is actually far too broad and there are even right-wing parties describing themselves as that.

i think its difficult to pigeon hole anyone really. So much of our politics is shaped by our specific experiences. I can be off the chart left or right depending on the specific issue so I will never be 100% content with any political party

kirklancaster 25-09-2015 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8179023)
i think its difficult to pigeon hole anyone really. So much of our politics is shaped by our specific experiences. I can be off the chart left or right depending on the specific issue so I will never be 100% content with any political party

So very well put BitOnTheSlide - I am the same. I support Farage because his policies regarding immigration and the EU are the closest to mine, but I do have regard for some Tory policies and Labour ones - though not many. :laugh:

Dollface 25-09-2015 06:29 PM

Why are you so interested in politics Josh? The reason I ask is because my brother is the same age as you (you're 14, right?) and he couldn't care less about politics :laugh: so i'm just wondering why these discussions appeal to you (i'm genuinely asking btw, not being a dick or anything)

kirklancaster 25-09-2015 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 8179057)
Why are you so interested in politics Josh? The reason I ask is because my brother is the same age as you (you're 14, right?) and he couldn't care less about politics :laugh: so i'm just wondering why these discussions appeal to you (i'm genuinely asking btw, not being a dick or anything)

Not butting in Dollface, but I know Josh admires ex-boy wonder Williiam Hague. :laugh:

empire 25-09-2015 06:41 PM

socialism and capitalism have failed this country, with high overspending, high inflation, and making the poor poorer, we are stuck in a loop hole, greece is a failed state because of socialism, america's capitalism has made job losses to china, for the greed of profit.

JoshBB 25-09-2015 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8178978)
Communist? just a guess... the left is not my area of expertise, Josh. You may not have noticed :-)

Haha no I don't think I'm a communist.. if this wasn't sarcastic (because I can't tell), communist would be far-left.


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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8179000)
:laugh:

I think Josh is just on the verge of being a UKIPPER. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8179064)
Not butting in Dollface, but I know Josh admires ex-boy wonder Williiam Hague. :laugh:

:laugh2: omg how did u know

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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 8179057)
Why are you so interested in politics Josh? The reason I ask is because my brother is the same age as you (you're 14, right?) and he couldn't care less about politics :laugh: so i'm just wondering why these discussions appeal to you (i'm genuinely asking btw, not being a dick or anything)

It just encompasses a lot of things I care about - solving inequality, injustice.. rights of minorities and tackling racism/religious discrimination.

MTVN 25-09-2015 06:45 PM

I wouldn't say there is anything inbetween really: both are ideologies which encompass quite a broad church of people and can often meet or even overlap. Social democracy grew out of the socialist movement after all.

user104658 25-09-2015 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 8179057)
Why are you so interested in politics Josh? The reason I ask is because my brother is the same age as you (you're 14, right?) and he couldn't care less about politics :laugh: so i'm just wondering why these discussions appeal to you (i'm genuinely asking btw, not being a dick or anything)

*avoiding the obvious answer...*

Ninastar 25-09-2015 08:05 PM

I personally don't see much point in identifying as anything whilst you're so young. I used to think very similarly to you, but I left school, got a job (many different jobs) and now I don't identify as anything on a political scale. It's hard to say you're 100% anything, when everyone has different opinions about politics. Unless there's a party where you agree with everything they say/do, then I wouldnt worry about it too much.

Northern Monkey 25-09-2015 08:13 PM

I'm not so good with politics.I'm learning all the time.I have views on alot of issues but i'm not so good with the terminology.

user104658 25-09-2015 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8179211)
I personally don't see much point in identifying as anything whilst you're so young. I used to think very similarly to you, but I left school, got a job (many different jobs) and now I don't identify as anything on a political scale. It's hard to say you're 100% anything, when everyone has different opinions about politics. Unless there's a party where you agree with everything they say/do, then I wouldnt worry about it too much.

I agree with that, I was actually pretty hard right / pro "pure capitalism" up until age 21+, believe it or not.

I still didn't like the Tories, because let's face it, we all knew they were a bunch of soggy-biscuit-playing, animal-head-****ing, rugger bugger silver spoon scumbags looong before hashtag pig-gate... however, I probably would have voted for them back then. Shudder.

DemolitionRed 25-09-2015 08:23 PM

I believe that social democracy in Britain, in fact anywhere for that matter, is a disaster because its too authoritarian. If you can't satisfy the masses or you suppress the wealthy or the poor (as is presently happening with Tory government and would equally happen under New Labour), you are just another political party that is doomed to eventually fail.

Democratic Socialism is an interesting idea because its a democratic socialist alternative.

This is a snippet from wordpress https://liamchingliu.wordpress.com/2...tic-socialism/

The most ideal socialist approach has been democratic socialism, because it neither falls into the trap of authoritarian socialism that in the apparent quest to get rid of reactionaries gets rid of the working class it proclaims to advance. It also avoids the pitfalls of social democracy, that, while profits to the capitalist can be guaranteed, can remain an effective way of organizing the economy, but fails to do so, when the profit requirements are not met. In democratic socialism, the workers are required to take charge over the economy, and allocate society’s resources to the benefit of the greatest number of people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

Kizzy 25-09-2015 10:29 PM

Political ideology has a sociological field attached maybe if you decide what perspective you align more closely with then that will give you a clue? :D

smudgie 25-09-2015 10:46 PM

Maybe just left of centre Josh. Not sure it has to be an anythingist as such.
I should imagine you will swing a little either way as you walk life's path.
I have yet to find a party that I could agree with over say 70%, and I find good and bad amongst all of them.

user104658 26-09-2015 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 8179636)
I should imagine you will swing a little either way as you walk life's path.

Yes but what about politics?

kirklancaster 26-09-2015 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8179887)
Yes but what about politics?

:laugh: Or tighter underwear.

smudgie 26-09-2015 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8179887)
Yes but what about politics?

:laugh::laugh: Trust you":joker:


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