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Josy 08-01-2016 06:52 PM

Scapegoat?
 
Is Winston clearly this years scapegoat?

Yes he has views that are offensive and could be (mostly are) seen as homophobic but he does say he is a Christian and those are his principles but claims he isn't homophobic etc.

And no I'm not defending him before anyone suggests it I just want to know other peoples opinions on whether he is this years scapegoat...

I think he's the obvious choice this year for CBB to get ratings and headlines.

MB. 08-01-2016 06:52 PM

No

Will. 08-01-2016 06:54 PM

no.

iRyan 08-01-2016 06:54 PM

I have to agree

zakman440 08-01-2016 06:57 PM

I totally don't agree with his views, but that's clearly why they've put him in.

Lostie! 08-01-2016 06:59 PM

I don't think he can be scapegoated for his own words. He can deny he's homophobic all he wants but cracking "jokes" about gay people being sexual predators and saying adoption by same-sex couples is child abuse suggests otherwise.

If he's big enough to publicly say downright offensive things then he's big enough to be challenged on them.

Gusto Brunt 08-01-2016 06:59 PM

Why do people take other people's opinions so seriously.

Take Donald Trump. He said let's have a no Muslim policy. Everybody in the world ignored him. It was only stupid UK who let's ban him from the UK. JUST IGNORE HIM.

Like Winston. Ignore him. People take far too much notice.

It's nuts.

Jamie89 08-01-2016 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8403402)
I don't think he can be scapegoated for his own words. He can deny he's homophobic all he wants but cracking "jokes" about gay people being sexual predators and saying adoption by same-sex couples is child abuse suggests otherwise.

If he's big enough to publicly say downright offensive things then he's big enough to be challenged on them.

I agree

Cherie 08-01-2016 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt (Post 8403403)
Why do people take other people's opinions so seriously.

Take Donald Trump. He said let's have a no Muslim policy. Everybody in the world ignored him. It was only stupid UK who let's ban him from the UK. JUST IGNORE HIM.

Like Winston. Ignore him. People take far too much notice.

It's nuts.

:clap1: this is the reason we have to sit through all the disclaimers before the show, people are so easily offended and outraged

Gusto Brunt 08-01-2016 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8403410)
:clap1: this is the reason we have to sit through all the disclaimers before the show, people are so easily offended and outraged

Totally.

MrWong 08-01-2016 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt (Post 8403403)
Why do people take other people's opinions so seriously.

Take Donald Trump. He said let's have a no Muslim policy. Everybody in the world ignored him. It was only stupid UK who let's ban him from the UK. JUST IGNORE HIM.

Like Winston. Ignore him. People take far too much notice.

It's nuts.

How can I ignore him. He's on one of my fave TV shows.

Hopefully he gets evicted tonight so I don't have to see/hear the messy ****!

GiRTh 08-01-2016 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8403402)
I don't think he can be scapegoated for his own words. He can deny he's homophobic all he wants but cracking "jokes" about gay people being sexual predators and saying adoption by same-sex couples is child abuse suggests otherwise.

If he's big enough to publicly say downright offensive things then he's big enough to be challenged on them.

Exactly. If he's so desperate for the publicity his appearance on CBB will bring then he can answer all the negative questions that will be coming his way when he gets out.

joeysteele 08-01-2016 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8403402)
I don't think he can be scapegoated for his own words. He can deny he's homophobic all he wants but cracking "jokes" about gay people being sexual predators and saying adoption by same-sex couples is child abuse suggests otherwise.

If he's big enough to publicly say downright offensive things then he's big enough to be challenged on them.

I agree, even moreso when putting himself forward to be on a National reality show too.

Jarvio 08-01-2016 07:09 PM

But a scapegoat is usually someone who doesn't deserve it...

reece(: 08-01-2016 07:09 PM

It's not as a big of a thing when he isn't offending you though is it

Lostie! 08-01-2016 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8403410)
:clap1: this is the reason we have to sit through all the disclaimers before the show, people are so easily offended and outraged

Yes, because taking issue with bigotry is being "easily offended and outraged".

People really need to stop trivialising homophobia and acting like it's not a big deal.

bots 08-01-2016 07:14 PM

It is a country of free speech where he is entitled to voice his opinions. He hasn't been homophobic in any of his actions in this BB that I am aware of, he hasn't broken any laws. All i see is completely over the top PC attitudes with fake outrage.

jet 08-01-2016 07:16 PM

People like Winston use their 'Christian beliefs' as an excuse for their homophobia and bigotry. They take from the Bible whatever suits their agenda and conveniently ignore what doesn't.

Jarvio 08-01-2016 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8403467)
It is a country of free speech where he is entitled to voice his opinions. He hasn't been homophobic in any of his actions in this BB that I am aware of, he hasn't broken any laws. All i see is completely over the top PC attitudes with fake outrage.

He IS entitled to his free speech. And we are entitled to hate him. :)

Josy 08-01-2016 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 8403444)
It's not as a big of a thing when he isn't offending you though is it

What do you mean Reece?

The thread isn't about anything Winston has said, it's about his purpose on the show (from the producers pov)

I think it's completely obvious he was approached to do the show so he could bring some controversy, why else after knowing his past opinions would they invite him to be a housemate?

Maybe scapegoat wasn't the right word to use.

Cherie 08-01-2016 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8403453)
Yes, because taking issue with bigotry is being "easily offended and outraged".

People really need to stop trivialising homophobia and acting like it's not a big deal.

The whole point of BB or it used to be was to throw people in from different backgrounds and viewpoints, who knows if he was actually left in there he might learn a thing or two, if makes a sexist comment about women i. The house I dont give a flying fig and i wont be running to ofcom, but I would like to see that view challenged and see how it all plays out in the house. Its not that big a deal its one persons viewpoint in a house of 16

Lostie! 08-01-2016 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8403467)
It is a country of free speech where he is entitled to voice his opinions. He hasn't been homophobic in any of his actions in this BB that I am aware of, he hasn't broken any laws. All i see is completely over the top PC attitudes with fake outrage.

Does free speech not apply to us being critical of Winston then? :think:

And feel free to provide evidence of this "fake" outrage. I'd love to know what makes you think that nobody could genuinely be angry at the things he says.

reece(: 08-01-2016 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8403501)
What do you mean Reece?

The thread isn't about anything Winston has said, it's about his purpose on the show (from the producers pov)

I think it's completely obvious he was approached to do the show so he could bring some controversy, why else after knowing his past opinions would they invite him to be a housemate?

Maybe scapegoat wasn't the right word to use.

That was not in response to the OP I forgot to quote :laugh:

I said elsewhere he's been put in for shock value which I think really is a new low for this show.

Babayaro. 08-01-2016 07:26 PM

Yes I agree with this

bots 08-01-2016 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8403525)
Does free speech not apply to us being critical of Winston then? :think:

And feel free to provide evidence of this "fake" outrage. I'd love to know what makes you think that nobody could genuinely be angry at the things he says.

When I say fake outrage I mean people are looking to find something to dislike in the guy when really, he has just been a normal bloke. If we suppress everyone in to a tiny container and blast them the moment they even look like they may do something wrong, that's fake, and that's what i see happening here. By all means take issue and criticise if he actually does something that is genuinely homophobic, but I have seen nothing on this forum to suggest he actually has done anything wrong.


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