Originally Posted by wendywillow (Post 8455754)

rewatch panty gate, john was definitely involved and could've shut it down. hes not innocent, I don't hate him but hes a sly one

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 8455761)

Yeah he also made jokes about it and said a pigeon had **** in them.

Originally Posted by rubymoo (Post 8455740)

Tiffany has been brainwashed by Gemma into thinking that John is the Devil incarnate, hence the whole scripted talk between the two of them in the bathroom.

Tiffany now proceeds to try to poison other housemates against John because in Tiffany's eyes (and Gemma's) John is the competition. (This plants the seed to nom him when the time is right!)

Originally Posted by wendywillow (Post 8455754)

rewatch panty gate, john was definitely involved and could've shut it down. hes not innocent, I don't hate him but hes a sly one

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8455924)

Why not mention that John is the one who said whoever owned the knickers should be named and shamed and they should be left on the table? Why not mention that John outright denied it to Tiffany?
She sees right through him and tackled him about it like she told Steph she would and Gemma had nothing to do with it.
Honestly, you need to watch the episode without closing your eyes and ears when John is being a prick.

Originally Posted by RodHull (Post 8456010)

TBF all 3 guys recoiled in horror at seeing them, then found it amusing which is juvenile granted but actually it is gross leaving your crusty undewear around for days in a communal house, I mean really she kinda deserved it imo.

It was only when the 3 girls came out and started going 'ugh well they arent mine thats gross' etc that it became a bit nasty to watch, cause as girls they should have gone 'grow up guys just put the washing in a bag well sort it out later'

But they jumped at the chance to dig into steph cause they boil with jealousy about her and jeremy like why else do they give two hoots what her and him do?



So your suggesting John knew it was her underwear and knew all three girls would come out laughing about it making a huge scene?? lol ok... you really believe the evil mastermind thing huh

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8456033)

I said that JOHN said THAT WHOEVER OWNED THEM should be NAMED AND SHAMED and they should be left on the table. I said he LIED to Tiff when he denied it. Please don't put words in to my mouth to deflect from admitting that is what he said and did.

Originally Posted by RodHull (Post 8456048)

You need to rewatch the show, Tiff asked him if he put them on the table... He didnt it was Chris I believe

She never heard the comment your referring to it wasnt even brought up by the HMs.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8456068)

Yes, Chris put them on the table along with a pile of other stuff and he pointed them out. If Tiff was just asking him did he put them there then he was correct to say it wasn't him.
It was John who said they should be left there and whoever owned them should be named and shamed, so he knew full well the part he played in it. I'm glad you are admitting he made the comment, which was disgraceful coming from a grown man, don't you agree?

Originally Posted by RodHull (Post 8456073)

No I dont whats disgraceful is leaving your smelly dirty knickers around with crusty stains in them for days (according to scotty) expecting others to clean them up, which Megan had flipped out about previously (steph being a messy skank)

So...

A) I dont think its a disgraceful comment
B) You clearly said in numerous posts he LIED to Tiff but have now admitted he didnt as she asked him 'did you put them on the table' and by your own admission he didnt

You cant change your argument or point half way through a discussion haha

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8456087)

I was under the impression Tiff was asking him did he say to LEAVE the knickers on the table, you pointed out she was asking him did he PUT them on the table in the first place. I took you word for it and admitted I was wrong, and you tell me I can't do that? Crazy.