Could Trump or Clinton be a great leader?
 

Or are you supporting them because they're slightly less worse than the other?

I think Trump would be the worst in a long time but I'd put H.Clinton above Bush, Bush and B.Clinton

As far back as I can remember, the crop of candidates up for president has always been the worst yet, and I am talking decades here. People gain comfort from familiarity, thats why Bill left with a 70% approval rating, having just lied to the American people :laugh:

When Reagan got elected, everyone was saying that's it, nuclear devastation is here, but, he ended up changing the whole game for the better. Who predicted that prior to his election:shrug: People don't even need to have good intentions or bad intentions, things have a life of their own, that is much bigger than one person or even one country.

The simple reality is that if they are not good, they will be out on their ear in 4 years, so it really doesn't matter, and its impossible to judge who would be better or worse

:clap1::clap1::clap1: This whole; "Trump/Hilary will be a terrible President, Trump/Hilary will be a great President is ridiculous.

Clinton might lie her head off and be deceitful as hell but turn out to be THE best President the States have ever seen.

Trump could be the most misogynistic and promiscuous President there's ever been and have 'interns' running for their chastity, but HE could STILL turn out to be THE best President that the States have ever had.

Or either could be dreadful and be impeached within 2 years - NO ONE knows.

Obviously thats a bit of a jump

Have you ever voted in an election? Would seem a bit silly to vote when you don't even believe in your own ability to forcast it a little, maybe youre not thinking it through enough.

whats the jump? The FACT that he had a 70% approval rating or the FACT that he got found out to by lying to the American people.

You claiming his 70% approval is entirely to do with people enjoying fimiliarity. No 2nd or 3rd component, you have the answer in two words... Bit of a jump.

i disagree, if after one month in office, Bill had been caught lying with his pants down, he would have been out on his ear. 8 years of familiarity saved him, to suggest otherwise is misguided to say the least.

Critical thought isnt your strength. There may be a correlation with length in office and approval rating, but correlation alone is rarely causative.

I have probably voted in more elections than any other member of this forum, thank you.

Your phrases; 'ability to forecast' and 'thinking it through' are a little vague, but let us examine what you may mean by them, shall we:

By 'ability to forecast', do you mean, 'Making a calculated guess based upon....

a) Political track records of the Presidential Candidates?

Trump has none, and Clinton's is less than inspirational.

Or perhaps you mean;

b) The political statements and promises issuing forth from both Candidates mouths whilst on the Campaign trail?

Trump is a PROVEN liar and Clinton is a PROVEN liar.

Or perhaps you mean;

c) The 'Believability' and 'Credibility' factors?

Trump is a PROVEN liar and Clinton is a PROVEN liar.

Oh... I see, NOW all we are left with are our own personal prejudices. Who we LIKE as a PERSON and who we DON'T like as a person.

Get voting.

So you think its completely irrational for anybody to forecast it themselves simply because you dont share the same ability, theres a world outside your forehead.

before you start insulting other forum members, it would be a good idea to look to your own posts. I have an exemplary education, followed up by a successful working career spanning 30+ years. Have you?

Trump the Outsider
would be better than Corrupt Clinton

If you REALLY want to start with the personal insults - I'll be your Huckleberry.

Yeah I agree with both of these posts in that either could be good or bad, there's always a chance that they might surprise us. Going off what I imagine they'll be like though I voted Trump as one of the worst and Hillary as average. I was torn on the Hillary one because I'm still really unsure of her and I have doubts about her that I can't reconcile, but I gave her the benefit of the doubt and said average anyway. She's probably clever enough not to repeat certain mistakes in office, I don't think she'd do anything that would risk her being a 'worst' president and will probably play things safe for the most part and just try and keep the status quo, and she probably has enough experience in the political game to prevent her from being seen as completely awful. I don't have any faith in Trump at all though (but like bots said the presidency is sometimes bigger than the person... ie. imo he could be a good president but only despite himself, not because of him :laugh: )

Another great balanced post Jamie.

I just genuinely hope that whoever does become President DOES turn out to be a good one.

I can hope can't I? :laugh:

Trump will be a great leader! :)

Clinton will do until a better candidate comes along.

Trump will be considered the worst Presidential Nominee in history when this is all over so his reign could only be awful. No leadership qualities, no sense of diplomacy, repugnant, hateful and not qualified for the position of President.

Ronald Reagan

go google him

Your brags are irrelevant, this is more about you ignoring all other reasons for a 70% approval rating because you think you can explain it in 2 words. Use your exemplary education to think about it critcally and realise its a bit of a jump.

Trump would be the worst ever, it'd be dangerous giving him presidency since he's a psycho.

Hillary would be nowhere near the best, but she could keep things plain sailing until the next run.

Better could still mean terrible, that was the question.. Do you think he'd be good, or just better than Clinton?

Trump would be a surprisingly good president...a man who would get things done. hed delegate a lot of work but hes a master at selecting the best talent and delegation...delegation is the key to running a massive operation and he has run massive operations for 40 years

shame its all been sidetracked with the usual lurid kiss and tell lies....he pinched my botton 30 years ago allegedly etc some people call that assault now , what a joke. who knows what happened, it someone feels its assault to go the cops , put up or shut up

meanwhile hes been right on trade , tariffs, white collar jobs, keeping the industries alive, hes right to tighten the border control, hes right on nafta , right on ttip right on the $20 trillion debt and hes half right on obamacare which it seems has failed to get the premiums down , right on ISIS to the degree that we have in effect armed isis with our own wepaons and allowed them the oil to finance their reign of terror ...with hilarys open borders that makes the threat infinitely worse...he was right on brexit, right on the iraq war, right on syria, right on the fact iran and russia are in fact fighting ISIS better than we are, right om keeping social security levels as they are, right to try and withdraw from the middle east, right to expose endless government waste

hilary is the one playing the dirty game of endlessly going on about ex girlfriends and endlessly playing the divisive feminist card...she voted to get killed over half a million innocent women in iraq, how feminist is that?

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