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Anaesthesia 02-06-2017 06:29 PM

Equal Partnership Rights - in any Manifesto?
 
There's a similar thread about LGTB+ rights but it seems mostly to be concentrated upon the right to donate blood for LGTB+.

I and many others are trying to campaign for the right for heterosexual partners to be permitted a civil partnership as an alternative to marriage, with the legal rights that come along with it. Should it not be our right to choose the terms of our relationships and have equal protection in the eyes of the law? Because right now we don't. I don't believe even that it's any part of any political agenda, and it should be.

If my partner were to die now, without having made a will, I would be completely incumbent upon his family 's grace as to whether or not I could continue living in our rented property, let alone whether I could afford it alone. I am also certain they wouldn't give a sh**. There are no "common law wife" rules.

Why should I not have the same protection in law as a same-sex couple?

smudgie 02-06-2017 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 9325724)
There's a similar thread about LGTB+ rights but it seems mostly to be concentrated upon the right to donate blood for LGTB+.

I and many others are trying to campaign for the right for heterosexual partners to be permitted a civil partnership as an alternative to marriage, with the legal rights that come along with it. Should it not be our right to choose the terms of our relationships and have equal protection in the eyes of the law? Because right now we don't. I don't believe even that it's any part of any political agenda, and it should be.

If my partner were to die now, without having made a will, I would be completely incumbent upon his family 's grace as to whether or not I could continue living in our rented property, let alone whether I could afford it alone. I am also certain they wouldn't give a sh**. There are no "common law wife" rules.

Why should I not have the same protection in law as a same-sex couple?

It should be equal, either no civil partnerships allowed or civil partnerships for all.
Thankfully we have equal rights on marriage now so there is no need to differentiate.
I do believe in civil partnerships for all, we were together 5 years before we married, thankfully I was entitled to the house as it was in joint names but unless anything else was in writing then I would have had nothing else.

Withano 02-06-2017 06:42 PM

Do they still give out civil partnerships to gay couples?

Anaesthesia 02-06-2017 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9325748)
Do they still give out civil partnerships to gay couples?

It's an alternative option to marriage, yes.

Withano 02-06-2017 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 9325755)
It's an alternative option to marriage, yes.

Oh weird, cant see any reason to only allow it for cetain types of couples.

Can I ask why you would prefer this option to a marriage or is that too personal?

Anaesthesia 02-06-2017 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9325762)
Oh weird, cant see any reason to only allow it for cetain types of couples.

Can I ask why you would prefer this option to a marriage or is that too personal?

Haha, it's not that personal :) My partner is considerably younger than me, and he's Italian. His family have been against the relationship for the entire 11 years we've been together. I've never been invited to a single family event. His mother dreams of him marrying a younger, fully acceptable bride in a huge Catholic orgy of bull**** with everyone in the many extended families there, and tries to pretend I don't exist. I know we'll always be together, and I'd just like the law to say that we can be together and have rights in case one of us pops it. No ceremony, no fuss. Plus for me a wedding has religious connotations and I'm a heathen :)

TBH I could counter that question with, if civil partnerships were already available to same sex couples, why the huge campaign for marriage?

It IS weird, but sadly true...non same sex can't have one.

And PS - I actually wrote my thesis in Family Law about this exact same topic, 16 years ago...:(

smudgie 02-06-2017 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 9325772)
Haha, it's not that personal :) My partner is considerably younger than me, and he's Italian. His family have been against the relationship for the entire 11 years we've been together. I've never been invited to a single family event. His mother dreams of him marrying a younger, fully acceptable bride in a huge Catholic orgy of bull**** with everyone in the many extended families there, and tries to pretend I don't exist. I know we'll always be together, and I'd just like the law to say that we can be together and have rights in case one of us pops it. No ceremony, no fuss. Plus for me a wedding has religious connotations and I'm a heathen :)

TBH I could counter that question with, if civil partnerships were already available to same sex couples, why the huge campaign for marriage?

It IS weird, but sadly true...non same sex can't have one.

And PS - I actually wrote my thesis in Family Law about this exact same topic, 16 years ago...:(

A registry office wedding has nothing to do with religion, plus it will be giving his family the finger:blush:

Anaesthesia 02-06-2017 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 9325855)
A registry office wedding has nothing to do with religion, plus it will be giving his family the finger:blush:

Heh, this is true, but my point is, why can't we have equal rights with the gay community?

We'll probably end up getting married barefoot on a beach in Sri Lanka ;)

smudgie 02-06-2017 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 9325869)
Heh, this is true, but my point is, why can't we have equal rights with the gay community?

We'll probably end up getting married barefoot on a beach in Sri Lanka ;)

Hmmmm, now that sounds wonderful.
Congratulations on finding the love of your life, married or not.

Anaesthesia 02-06-2017 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 9325873)
Hmmmm, now that sounds wonderful.
Congratulations on finding the love of your life, married or not.

:love:

Withano 02-06-2017 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 9325772)
Haha, it's not that personal :) My partner is considerably younger than me, and he's Italian. His family have been against the relationship for the entire 11 years we've been together. I've never been invited to a single family event. His mother dreams of him marrying a younger, fully acceptable bride in a huge Catholic orgy of bull**** with everyone in the many extended families there, and tries to pretend I don't exist. I know we'll always be together, and I'd just like the law to say that we can be together and have rights in case one of us pops it. No ceremony, no fuss. Plus for me a wedding has religious connotations and I'm a heathen :)

TBH I could counter that question with, if civil partnerships were already available to same sex couples, why the huge campaign for marriage?

It IS weird, but sadly true...non same sex can't have one.

And PS - I actually wrote my thesis in Family Law about this exact same topic, 16 years ago...:(

Thats completely changed my opinion, and I completely support your campaign! I dont think any parties are proposing an immediate change, and thats tragic! I'll help you shout a little louder from my end from now on

Regarding your counter question: I think (and I hope this doesnt come across as rude) most people saw civil partnership as a 'nearly' wedding, and they wanted to right to all of it
But you do completely have a legit reason to need ones, and I guess others do and will too. it makes no sense that you cant have it, especially if others can.

Are there any countries offering this option for heterosexual couples? You could have an all in one civil partnership and honeymoon?!

Anaesthesia 02-06-2017 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9325885)
Thats completely changed my opinion, and I completely support your campaign! I dont think any parties are proposing an immediate change, and thats tragic! I'll help you shout a little louder from my end from now on

Regarding your counter question: I think (and I hope this doesnt come across as rude) most people saw civil partnership as a 'nearly' wedding, and they wanted to right to all of it
But you do completely have a legit reason to need ones, and I guess others do and will too. it makes no sense that you cant have it, especially if others can.

Are there any countries offering this option for heterosexual couples? You could have an all in one civil partnership and honeymoon?!

Thanks Withano, that means a lot, and this is all for absolute equality, Same for everyone, no?

I am SO going to look for some countries that might :D

Mystic Mock 01-07-2017 08:19 PM

I believe in equality so I support this campaign.

DemolitionRed 01-07-2017 08:50 PM

I totally support your campaign Anaesthesia. Your post is a bit of a wake up call, at least for me.


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