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Liberty4eva 04-06-2017 10:32 PM

I still remember when the UK parliament condemned Trump for the "Muslim ban"
 
Now who looks silly. Best of luck UK getting your country back.

Greg! 04-06-2017 10:33 PM

Yawn

user104658 04-06-2017 10:37 PM

Another one comes crawling out of the woodwork to gloat and chest-puff.

smudgie 04-06-2017 10:58 PM

I have to wonder, how many atrocities are committed by Americans rather than Muslims in America.
All those terrible school killings etc....bloody nutters, not Muslims.:shrug:

Marsh. 04-06-2017 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 9331014)
Now who looks silly. Best of luck UK getting your country back.

America doesn't need terrorists from another country you lot do a better job of killing each other. Good luck with that.

Mystic Mock 04-06-2017 11:42 PM

Innocent Muslims shouldn't get banned from the country because of a hardline terrorist group that follows their Religion.

Imo what needs to happen is the Governments around the world need to screencheck the people that they're letting into the country, and if any of them has committed any form of murder/terrorism, rape, or paedophilia they're not allowed into the country.

reece(: 04-06-2017 11:43 PM

This is embarrassing

Brother Leon 05-06-2017 12:29 AM

No one from the Ban List has attacked the USA for 40 years. We are still laughing at your fool of a leader xo.

Niamh. 05-06-2017 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 9331243)
No one from the Ban List has attacked the USA for 40 years. We are still laughing at your fool of a leader xo.

:clap2:

Brillopad 05-06-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 9331243)
No one from the Ban List has attacked the USA for 40 years. We are still laughing at your fool of a leader xo.

Probably too busy attacking us as they can't get into the USA! :shrug:

We are after-all far more welcoming!

Kizzy 05-06-2017 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9331618)
Probably too busy attacking us as they can't get into the USA! :shrug:

We are after-all far more welcoming!

So there is no home grown terrorism in the US?...

King Gizzard 05-06-2017 12:45 PM


Brillopad 05-06-2017 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9331634)
So there is no home grown terrorism in the US?...

I imagine so - but I haven't heard of anything there lately, have you? ISIS aren't attacking them like they are Europe - why do you think that is then?

It isn't as if the US are top of their friends list is it!

Kizzy 05-06-2017 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9331652)
I imagine so - but I haven't heard of anything there lately, have you? ISIS aren't attacking them like they are Europe - why do you think that is then?

It isn't as if the US are top of their friends list is it!

I can't imagine... Enlighten me to how radicalisation is a thing here in Europe, but not the US.

user104658 05-06-2017 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9331652)
I imagine so - but I haven't heard of anything there lately, have you? ISIS aren't attacking them like they are Europe - why do you think that is then?

Because immigrants are still generally better accepted and integrated within US society than they are in the UK, making young US first and second generation immigrants harder to radicalize... where as in the UK, we segregate and alienate our immigrant communities which allows the small number of true hate preachers to get their claws in and twist those people into killers.

If you're going to burp something like "Because they didn't let in so many Moslerms!!" at us, I'd invite you to check the stats, as there are more Muslims in the USA than there are in the UK, and so if your logic is correct, there should be more Muslim extremists in the USA than in the UK.

The --only-- answer - if you are correct about there being fewer - is that US Muslims are less likely to be radicalised than UK Muslims. I'd invite you to consider why that might be.

Brother Leon 05-06-2017 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9331618)
Probably too busy attacking us as they can't get into the USA! :shrug:

We are after-all far more welcoming!

Didn't know they have had the Ban List for 40 years...

Cherie 05-06-2017 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9331683)
Because immigrants are still generally better accepted and integrated within US society than they are in the UK, making young US first and second generation immiggrants harder to radicalize... where as in the UK, we segregate and alienate our immigrant communities which allows the small number of true hate preachers to get their claws in and twist those people into killers.

If you're going to burp something like "Because they didn't let in so many Moslerms!!" at us, I'd invite you to check the stats, as there are more Muslims in the USA than there are in the UK, and so if your logic is correct, there should be more Muslim extremists in the USA than in the UK.

The --only-- answer - if you are correct about there being fewer - is that US Muslims are less likely to be radicalised than UK Muslims. I'd invite you to consider why that might be.



In your opinion unless you can provide facts and figures? Immigrants have generally settled in their own communities, it doesn't mean they haven't integrated or been accepted, maybe it's different here in London but in the main immigrants are accepted, not sure what it's like up North but you can't speak for the whole country on this issue

user104658 05-06-2017 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9332895)
In your opinion unless you can provide facts and figures? Immigrants have generally settled in their own communities, it doesn't mean they haven't integrated or been accepted, maybe it's different here in London but in the main immigrants are accepted, not sure what it's like up North but you can't speak for the whole country on this issue

OK it's for no reason at all, immigrants in the US are just magically nicer than immigrants here and that's why we have more attacks. Just totally random. That's probably it.

[edit] Also, just to add, that post was specifically in quoted response to the question; Why do you think that is?

One might assume that this would be enough for anyone reading to deduce that the reply is, indeed, "why I think that is", or in other words, my opinion. I apologise if that wasn't clear enough. Apparently it's an ongoing issue, people assuming that I "think I know it all" because I don't plaster my posts with "maybe" and "in my opinion" - but I can certainly do so in future if it makes things easier.

JTM45 05-06-2017 07:30 PM

There are more people killed just by gunshot wounds alone in the in US in a single year (averages around 80,000) by US citizens than have been killed by terrorists across the entire planet in the last two thousand years.

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 9331014)
Now who looks silly.

That would still be Trump!
No President has ever looked sillier or has been less equipped to run the US.

And it wasn't just our Parliament who condemned Trump's (or Bannon's rather!) ridiculous attempt at a ban. It was also a lot of the US. It was a non-starter TWICE and will probably never be implemented.

We've never lost our Country either, unlike yours that's currently falling apart under the influence of Putin and his cronies.

Cherie 05-06-2017 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9332917)
OK it's for no reason at all, immigrants in the US are just magically nicer than immigrants here and that's why we have more attacks. Just totally random. That's probably it.

9/11 anyone :umm2: also if that's the case it puts and end to the theory its all our own fault for getting involved in the wars

user104658 05-06-2017 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9332938)
9/11 anyone :umm2:

None of them were US citizens or residents??? Jesus wept Cherie if you're going to post about terrorism at least have a vague working knowledge of the worst terrorist attack in recent memory :facepalm:.

Sorry, wait, in my opinion none of them were American. And you know. In the opinion of objective facts.

Cherie 05-06-2017 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9332969)
None of them were US citizens or residents??? Jesus wept Cherie if you're going to post about terrorism at least have a vague working knowledge of the worst terrorist attack in recent memory :facepalm:.

Sorry, wait, in my opinion none of them were American. And you know. In the opinion of objective facts.

How come they don't blame their adopted homeland for problems in Iraq, Syria etc :think:

user104658 05-06-2017 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9333256)
How come they don't blame their adopted homeland for problems in Iraq, Syria etc :think:

I'm sure plenty of them do? Just like plenty of non-immigrants do. There's a big difference between someone that sees the problems caused by western interference and the middle east, and a radicalized religious extremist. The point is that people who feel welcomed and accepted in their host countries are far less likely to want to harm anyone there, or to feel frustrated and outcast enough to turn to extremist rhetoric for answers, than those who are demonized and ostracized. That should surely be pretty obvious?

Brillopad 05-06-2017 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9334347)
I'm sure plenty of them do? Just like plenty of non-immigrants do. There's a big difference between someone that sees the problems caused by western interference and the middle east, and a radicalized religious extremist. The point is that people who feel welcomed and accepted in their host countries are far less likely to want to harm anyone there, or to feel frustrated and outcast enough to turn to extremist rhetoric for answers, than those who are demonized and ostracized. That should surely be pretty obvious?

What is obvious to me is that the mindset that blames a lack of integration on non-Muslims alone without any mention of the role Muslims play in that is without credibility.

Many Muslims alienate themselves by their own actions and refusal to integrate into Western society - that is their choice and their responsibility. Why do you always try to make it a non-Muslim Problem - it isn't.

And whilst you continue to insist it is the evil 'racists' that are to blame for all the problems and not holding the Muslim community to account in any way for their attitudes and part to play in these problems - it's all a crock of pointless s***e.

Kizzy 05-06-2017 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9335221)
What is obvious to me is that the mindset that blames a lack of integration on non-Muslims alone without any mention of the role Muslims play in that is without credibility.

Many Muslims alienate themselves by their own actions and refusal to integrate into Western society - that is their choice and their responsibility. Why do you always try to make it a non-Muslim Problem - it isn't.

And whilst you continue to insist it is the evil 'racists' that are to blame for all the problems and not holding the Muslim community to account in any way for their attitudes and part to play in these problems - it's all a crock of pointless s***e.

You are missing the point, what TS is highlighting are reasons the communities may not want to or find it hard to integrate.


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