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Scarlett. 14-08-2017 06:04 AM

This feels very relevant again
 

JTM45 14-08-2017 06:29 AM

It's a great film, really well written, and you really think we would have moved forward from those times, which a lot of people have, but particularly with people like Trump who refuses to personally condemn these people (because he knows he counts on their support) and actually employs people with racist beliefs as some of his closest allies within the White House it gives the extreme right-wing groups a new found confidence in the belief that they have support at the top which only encourages things like the incidents in Charlottesville.
It needs to be nipped in the bud before things get even worse. Trump must be removed and it can't happen soon enough.

Liberty4eva 14-08-2017 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9551641)
It's a great film, really well written, and you really think we would have moved forward from those times, which a lot of people have, but particularly with people like Trump who refuses to personally condemn these people (because he knows he counts on their support) and actually employs people with racist beliefs as some of his closest allies within the White House it gives the extreme right-wing groups a new found confidence in the belief that they have support at the top which only encourages things like the incidents in Charlottesville.
It needs to be nipped in the bud before things get even worse. Trump must be removed and it can't happen soon enough.

Kind of like how Obama refused to condemn the Black Lives Matter when they were openly advocating killing police officers?

JTM45 14-08-2017 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 9551691)
Kind of like how Obama refused to condemn the Black Lives Matter when they were openly advocating killing police officers?

No, my example is real.

Kizzy 14-08-2017 08:19 AM

What an interesting film, it proves that progressives have always been around fighting the fascistic mindsets of those who struggled to get a grip of nations. Never since then has this issue and the divide between ideologies been so apparent.

Liberty4eva 14-08-2017 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9551698)
No, my example is real.

Amazing how people criticize Trump for condemning bigotry "on all sides". I would wager that the person in the video would have applauded Trump for saying that.

Beso 14-08-2017 08:41 AM

Nothing more fascist like than an antifa member.

Samm 14-08-2017 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 9551691)
Kind of like how Obama refused to condemn the Black Lives Matter when they were openly advocating killing police officers?

but no deaths at BLM protests, but at the recent nazi movement there have been? :)

Liberty4eva 14-08-2017 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Samm (Post 9551725)
but no deaths at BLM protests, but at the recent nazi movement there have been? :)

Samm, I advise you to click on the spoiler button only if you want to become aware of how thoroughly ill-informed you are.

Spoiler:

JTM45 14-08-2017 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 9551707)
Amazing how people criticize Trump for condemning bigotry "on all sides". I would wager that the person in the video would have applauded Trump for saying that.

The glaringly obvious point here is that he said the least he could and intimated that the two groups of people in Charlottesville were equally bad instead of specifically condemning the racist far-right terrorist who killed a completely innocent and peaceful women protestor and the Nazis he was there with.

When there have been deaths due to muslim aggressors , even though they weren't even in his country, he wasted no time in rightly condemning them and makingtheir affiliation very clear but he should have definitely done the same thing in this case and with more emphasis considering it was in the country he pretends to be in charge of. It's obvious that the reason he's refusing to personally condmen them(still) is because his approval rating is already historically low (the lowest for any President ever!) he knows that he can't risk 'offending' these scumbags who are part of what's left of his supporters.
When there were attacks by muslims here in the UK he even went after the Mayor of London, and of course, made it about his Muslim faith and then took a piece of a statement and used it out of context to accuse him of saying something that he didn't. Don Jnr. (younger but equally ignorant) had also done exactly the same thing to the same guy after the previous attack but he used an out of context snippet from a 3 month old tweet that time. They're undeniably Islamaphobic and would love nothing more than a total ban on Muslims entering the US. Unluckily (for them!) even his watered-down version was deemed unconstitutional by the Courts and is as good as dead!
He's managed to lose 20% of his supporters since January this year and many of those who were never that keen on him personally but voted for him as an ''anyone but Hillary'' vote are being scared off by his constant ****-ups, scandals, idiotic decisions and the mounting evidence against him. Even his party have reached the point where they can see that he stands no chance of surviving this and are doing their best to try and distance themselves from him.

JTM45 14-08-2017 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9551717)
Nothing more fascist like than an antifa member.

Really ?How about the large group of Nazi domestic terrorists that gathered in Charlottesville over the weekend ? Far more ''fascist like'' than the Anti-Fascist group 'Antifa' (the clue's in the name) which, if you have to categorize them politically would, in my opinion, be much nearer the socialist or maybe anarchist ideologies........if anything.

Yep, 'Antifa' !!!!! Current favorite distraction buzzword come scapegoat of the ill-informed or willfully ignorant far-right loving racist/Nazi apologists/excuser since the validity of their previous favorite go-to blame group, BLM, just wasn't believable any more.

As in; ''It wasn't those lovely Nazi boot-boys with their Swastika flags and assault rifles officer, i swear it was those 'Antifa' ne'er do wells again...........or that's what the guys in the Breitbart comments section told to me to say anyway Sir''.:laugh3:

Who's next on the list ? 'Fathers4Justice'. :laugh:

Liberty4eva 14-08-2017 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9551717)
Nothing more fascist like than an antifa member.

These days the biggest fascists seem to be the "anti-fascists".

Beso 14-08-2017 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 9551805)
These days the biggest fascists seem to be the "anti-fascists".

True.

Kizzy 14-08-2017 01:38 PM

False, calling out fascism does not make you a fascist, not even in a post truth era.

Livia 15-08-2017 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 9551805)
These days the biggest fascists seem to be the "anti-fascists".

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9552091)
True.

Sad but true. Pointing that out is exhausting though, they'll deny it, but not because they're lying; because they really do believe they're 100% right all the time with no room at all for doubt. Ignorance being bliss...

Kizzy 15-08-2017 11:08 AM

It is not true, people have rights now having to constantly fight for those rights through a sea of propaganda and media bias. This unfortunately may lead to potentially violent clashes at times, there will be extremists on both sides but to class anti fascists as fascists is wrong, plain wrong.

DemolitionRed 15-08-2017 11:39 AM

Good video Chewy

If these anti-immigrant groups and hardline right groups were simply talking to one another in their relatively hardcore constituencies, I believe it would be a lot less of a worry than it presently is. What we have seen in recent years, is the way the propaganda begins on the radical right; begins in white supremacist hate groups and leaps out into less extreme groups and before we know it, its on our news and media channels and its coming out of the mouths of politicians and its all over our social media.

And then we had Trump, the alt-right savior who is willing to engage in a kind of rhetorical assault on Mexicans and Muslims and Farage who used crass brazen language on a level that isn’t normally accepted in polite society. We even had Johnson and Cameron sending out coded wink and nod messages to the white working class electorate. We have all been subjected to race baiting, even on here we see carefully worded, overt forms of racism.

I’m not surprised the public are angry. They’ve been traded and manipulated by the ‘politics of fear’. Every day, certain papers feed those fears with false claims about immigrants. This sort of propaganda has consequences… a revolt needs two sides and the two sides of this revolt both have extremists.


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