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Brillopad 16-08-2017 12:16 PM

Extremism experts are starting to worry about the left
 
https://news.vice.com/story/extremis...about-the-left

Right or left - extremists from both sides are as bad as each other. To vilify one group whilst at the same time making excuses for the other is undefendable.

Tom4784 16-08-2017 12:24 PM

Well no, until the 'extreme left' start murdering people then they are not as bad. I'm quite tired of this whole 'both sides are to blame' **** in light of recent events. Neo Nazis are to blame for Charlottesville, the left didn't arm them, the left didn't make that driver kill an innocent bystander. The Left didn't put a gun in the hands of the man that killed Jo Cox, the left didn't cause that attack on the mosque by a Right wing extremist a few months ago.

Right Wing Terrorism is a problem and not one you can blame the left for, it's a disgusting case of scapegoating to do so.

user104658 16-08-2017 12:27 PM

The whole thing has become increasingly tribal and no longer has anything to do with the actual politics or anyone's genuine personal beliefs; "left" and "right" have become meaningless, we have to suffer an endless onslaught of buzzwords and buzzphrases. People (most with very little genuine political understanding) pick "a side" and then adopt the rhetoric of that side. The whole world has turned into a boring, petty playground. Except it's a playground where people actually get hurt.

Alf 16-08-2017 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9558248)
Well no, until the 'extreme left' start murdering people then they are not as bad. I'm quite tired of this whole 'both sides are to blame' **** in light of recent events. Neo Nazis are to blame for Charlottesville, the left didn't arm them, the left didn't make that driver kill an innocent bystander. The Left didn't put a gun in the hands of the man that killed Jo Cox, the left didn't cause that attack on the mosque by a Right wing extremist a few months ago.

Right Wing Terrorism is a problem and not one you can blame the left for, it's a disgusting case of scapegoating to do so.

Remember a few months back when that Bernie supporter opened fire on republican party members playing baseball, Which left Steve Scalise in a critical condition, and the guy was only stopped by being taken out? Or did you forget?

Alf 16-08-2017 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9558248)
Well no, until the 'extreme left' start murdering people then they are not as bad. I'm quite tired of this whole 'both sides are to blame' **** in light of recent events. Neo Nazis are to blame for Charlottesville, the left didn't arm them, the left didn't make that driver kill an innocent bystander. The Left didn't put a gun in the hands of the man that killed Jo Cox, the left didn't cause that attack on the mosque by a Right wing extremist a few months ago.

Right Wing Terrorism is a problem and not one you can blame the left for, it's a disgusting case of scapegoating to do so.

Remember women being beating by protesters, because a gay Englishman was going to give a speech in Berkley? Or did you forget?

Dominic 16-08-2017 12:39 PM

Yes the extreme left is awful so is the extreme right

Alf 16-08-2017 12:49 PM

You only see what your eyes want to see
How can life be what you want it to be? You're frozen
When your heart's not open

Words of the Leftie, Madonna.



She also said

"I've often thought about blowing up the White house"

Tom4784 16-08-2017 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9558270)
Remember a few months back when that Bernie supporter opened fire on republican party members playing baseball, Which left Steve Scalise in a critical condition, and the guy was only stopped by being taken out? Or did you forget?

A crazed gunman prick with no ties to extremism does not make a compelling argument that the Left are as much to blame as Nazi terrorists.

Keep scapegoating for Nazis though.

Tom4784 16-08-2017 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9558277)
Remember women being beating by protesters, because a gay Englishman was going to give a speech in Berkley? Or did you forget?

Again, students in a safezone bubble beng twats and lashing out because they have no real life experience (or links to extremism) is not a good comparison to actual terrorism.

Keep trying, you might make a valid point one day.

Brillopad 16-08-2017 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9558248)
Well no, until the 'extreme left' start murdering people then they are not as bad. I'm quite tired of this whole 'both sides are to blame' **** in light of recent events. Neo Nazis are to blame for Charlottesville, the left didn't arm them, the left didn't make that driver kill an innocent bystander. The Left didn't put a gun in the hands of the man that killed Jo Cox, the left didn't cause that attack on the mosque by a Right wing extremist a few months ago.

Right Wing Terrorism is a problem and not one you can blame the left for, it's a disgusting case of scapegoating to do so.

No the left just went there to cause trouble and inflamed the situation. They knew exactly what they were doing and got the reaction they expected enabling them to behave the same way.

As the article showed there have been plenty of left wing attacks that any logical thinking person can't turn round and blame the right for.

Tom4784 16-08-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9558324)
No the left just went there to cause trouble and inflamed the situation. They knew exactly what they were doing and got the reaction they expected enabling them to behave the same way.

As the article showed there have been plenty of left wing attacks that any logical thinking person can't turn round and blame the right for.

So you're defending Nazis, I'm not surprised.

Alf 16-08-2017 12:56 PM

Yes Dezzy, we're all Nazis. Well worked out.

You do make me laugh.

user104658 16-08-2017 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9558335)
Yes Dezzy, we're all Nazis. Well worked out.

You do make me laugh.

Naw, just Nazi sympathisers.

Alf 16-08-2017 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9558340)
Naw, just Nazi sympathisers.

Name me one Nazi I've sympathised with?

user104658 16-08-2017 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9558346)
Name me one Nazi I've sympathised with?

John.

Tom4784 16-08-2017 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9558335)
Yes Dezzy, we're all Nazis. Well worked out.

You do make me laugh.

If someone refuses to condemn Nazis for their actions and instead look to vindicate them by blaming the left then it's only common sense to assume they have sympathies for the Nazis based on those actions.

Alf 16-08-2017 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9558340)
Naw, just Nazi sympathisers.

I've been banned for much less on this forum, then what you're accusing me of here.

Alf 16-08-2017 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9558352)
If someone refuses to condemn Nazis for their actions and instead look to vindicate them by blaming the left then it's only common sense to assume they have sympathies for the Nazis based on their actions.

Go look at the first post I made on this subject, in the original thread.

What is the first thing I say? I'll tell you and you can go check it out.

I said "Terrorist bastard"

user104658 16-08-2017 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9558354)
I've been banned for much less on this forum, then what you're accusing me of here.

As Dezzy says though it's a simple and demonstrable statement of fact; anyone who attempts to find reason for the actions of Nazis or who suggests that they were provoked (and hence, more justified) in their actions is, by definition, sympathising with said Nazis and is therefore a Nazi sympathiser.

No judgement.

Alf 16-08-2017 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9558359)
As Dezzy says though it's a simple and demonstrable statement of fact; anyone who attempts to find reason for the actions of Nazis or who suggests that they were provoked (and hence, more justified) in their actions is, by definition, sympathising with said Nazis and is therefore a Nazi sympathiser.

No judgement.

But I'm not defending them, I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy from lefties who are just as bad.

I'm saying the extremist on both sides of the scale are shyt-houses.

user104658 16-08-2017 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9558357)
Go look at the first post I made on this subject, in the original thread.

What is the first thing I say? I'll tell you and you can go check it out.

I said "Terrorist bastard"

To be fair I was referring to Brillo's posts more than yours but - being totally upfront here - I do have a habit of tarring with the same brush when it comes to a handful of 4 or 5 members. I think understandably. Try to understand. Be a TS sympathiser :hee:.

Brillopad 16-08-2017 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9558332)
So you're defending Nazis, I'm not surprised.

Just as I expected. :shrug:

Brillopad 16-08-2017 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9558352)
If someone refuses to condemn Nazis for their actions and instead look to vindicate them by blaming the left then it's only common sense to assume they have sympathies for the Nazis based on those actions.

So what does that make lefties who refuse to condemn the extreme left for their actions?

Brillopad 16-08-2017 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9558365)
To be fair I was referring to Brillo's posts more than yours but - being totally upfront here - I do have a habit of tarring with the same brush when it comes to a handful of 4 or 5 members. I think understandably. Try to understand. Be a TS sympathiser :hee:.

If you want to call me a nazi for pointing out that there are extremists on both sides, there are, that is your problem not mine. I justified nothing unlike Dezzy's attempted justification of leftist thugs in post 2.

user104658 16-08-2017 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9558376)
If you want to call me a nazi for pointing out that there are extremists on both sides, there are, that is your problem not mine.

I didn't call you a Nazi.


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