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Beso 10-10-2017 06:16 AM

Racial inequality in the workplace.
 
Just discussing this on the news.

One black lady said she had the best qualifications for the job but didnt get it...how does she know?

Northern Monkey 10-10-2017 06:55 AM

Probs just bitter she didn’t get the job.

DemolitionRed 10-10-2017 07:42 AM

sometimes its not so much the qualifications but how you come over during the interview. I doubt very much it was the colour of her skin. My advice to her would be, stop playing the blame game and try and improve your interview skills.

Oliver_W 10-10-2017 09:38 AM

When I was on a student forum, I'd see stuck up kids who thought that having a degree entitled them to whatever job they wanted, when they made no effort to gain actual work experience during their time in university. These days nearly everyone has a degree, and when it comes to jobs that require such a qualification, what work they've done on the side will count just as much, if not more, assuming having a degree is a given.

This lady might be the "most qualified" on paper, but she might not have as much on her CV, or maybe as DR said, she might just have come across badly in her interview. If she boasts about her qualifications and accuses the interviewees of racism, I'm gonna guess she doesn't come across too well in day to day life.

Niamh. 10-10-2017 09:40 AM

It's hard to have an opinion on this particular story with the limited information we have on it really

jaxie 10-10-2017 01:33 PM

I've been thinking about this subject in a round about way recently as I have a couple of young family members looking for work and I've been helping them. I've noticed a lot of jobs now seem to ask your sex, ethnicity and if you have disabilities and it made me wonder whether asking is actually detrimental to candidates from all ethnicities and disabled or not. I mean surely the employer should be concerned with a good CV and cover letter, not what colour your skin is. Why should all of that matter even before the interview process? They say it's so they can be diverse but does that mean they are discounting people based on ethnicity before they've even met them? Are they in fact in some cases discriminating against white men? It does make you wonder as gender and race is almost always asked for on applications. I understand with a disability you may have special needs but instead of asking all the questions they could just add a box asking if you have any special requirements and let you explain.

I do believe all candidates should get a shot, regardless of colour, based on the abilities and experience. If you are the best qualified that is all that should be important.

the truth 10-10-2017 02:11 PM

hysterical headlines dont help

Oliver_W 10-10-2017 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9653451)
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As far as I know, the official stance is that the equal opps forms aren't looked at during the recruitment process, but are separately added to the "personnel files" once you're hired.

Northern Monkey 10-10-2017 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9653451)
I've been thinking about this subject in a round about way recently as I have a couple of young family members looking for work and I've been helping them. I've noticed a lot of jobs now seem to ask your sex, ethnicity and if you have disabilities and it made me wonder whether asking is actually detrimental to candidates from all ethnicities and disabled or not. I mean surely the employer should be concerned with a good CV and cover letter, not what colour your skin is. Why should all of that matter even before the interview process? They say it's so they can be diverse but does that mean they are discounting people based on ethnicity before they've even met them? Are they in fact in some cases discriminating against white men? It does make you wonder as gender and race is almost always asked for on applications. I understand with a disability you may have special needs but instead of asking all the questions they could just add a box asking if you have any special requirements and let you explain.

I do believe all candidates should get a shot, regardless of colour, based on the abilities and experience. If you are the best qualified that is all that should be important.

I agree,I don’t think race should be a factor and isn’t necessary on application forms.Let people get to their interviews and either shine or fail whatever race they are.

Beso 10-10-2017 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9653332)
It's hard to have an opinion on this particular story with the limited information we have on it really

A major dossier was released today at lunch time..have a look at it.

Tom4784 10-10-2017 04:27 PM

White people like to pretend that diverse employment thinks that they'll somehow be discriminated against and unable to get a job if the competition is an ethnic minority but that's just an excuse to place the blame elsewhere.

An employer will never hire someone ill suited to the job just because they fulfill a quota. It just doesn't happen in most places. It's not worth the wasted time and resources, plus, depending on the hierarchy of the workplace in question, if it's not the boss doing hiring and firing, a badly suited new employee reflects badly on the person who gave them a job.

When I've hired people I was always advised to judge it on two things mostly, suitability for the job and how well their personality would mesh with the other employees. Sometimes the best person for the job isn't always the most suitable, sometimes you look for a good attitude and potential instead of raw suitability. I've personally have never been made to make an employment decision based on race or anything else. Hell, most companies I've worked for won't even ask that kind of stuff until after you've been employed and you have to fill out your details and such.

AnnieK 10-10-2017 05:03 PM

Most companies will ask for equal ops data, you are.not obliged to provide any information. The reason it is asked for is for equality and diversity monitoring as all companies should have policies regarding this data. However, it should not be used in any way to make a recruitment decision.

Cherie 10-10-2017 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9653568)
White s

An employer will never hire someone ill suited to the job just because they fulfill a quota. It just doesn't happen in most places. It's not worth the wasted time and resources, plus, depending on the hierarchy of the workplace in question, if it's not the boss doing hiring and firing, a badly suited new employee reflects badly on the person who gave them a job.

When I've hired people I was always advised to judge it on two things mostly, suitability for the job and how well their personality would mesh with the other employees. Sometimes the best person for the job isn't always the most suitable, sometimes you look for a good attitude and potential instead of raw suitability. I've personally have never been made to make an employment decision based on race or anything else. Hell, most companies I've worked for won't even ask that kind of stuff until after you've been employed and you have to fill out your details and such.

Actually the debate today was about black people complaining it was refreshing to hear other black peoples ring in to say they had a chip on their shoulder and if you are qualified for the job you will get it, just as you indicated Dezzy

Tom4784 10-10-2017 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9653639)
Actually the debate today was about black people complaining it was refreshing to hear other black peoples ring in to say they had a chip on their shoulder and if you are qualified for the job you will get it, just as you indicated Dezzy

Yes, I am aware what the debate was about.

Beso 10-10-2017 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9653568)
White people like to pretend that diverse employment thinks that they'll somehow be discriminated against and unable to get a job if the competition is an ethnic minority but that's just an excuse to place the blame elsewhere.

An employer will never hire someone ill suited to the job just because they fulfill a quota. It just doesn't happen in most places. It's not worth the wasted time and resources, plus, depending on the hierarchy of the workplace in question, if it's not the boss doing hiring and firing, a badly suited new employee reflects badly on the person who gave them a job.

When I've hired people I was always advised to judge it on two things mostly, suitability for the job and how well their personality would mesh with the other employees. Sometimes the best person for the job isn't always the most suitable, sometimes you look for a good attitude and potential instead of raw suitability. I've personally have never been made to make an employment decision based on race or anything else. Hell, most companies I've worked for won't even ask that kind of stuff until after you've been employed and you have to fill out your details and such.

Thats what i thought happened..48yrs old here, never not gotten the job after an interview....it must have been my personality.:smug:

Oliver_W 10-10-2017 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9653639)
Actually the debate today was about black people complaining it was refreshing to hear other black peoples ring in to say they had a chip on their shoulder and if you are qualified for the job you will get it, just as you indicated Dezzy

But someone else suggested that companies might hire people to fill diversity quotas, I assumed Dezzy was responding to that.

Cherie 10-10-2017 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 9653844)
But someone else suggested that companies might hire people to fill diversity quotas, I assumed Dezzy was responding to that.

We don't all assume the same things, that's the whole point of a discussion

Oliver_W 10-10-2017 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9653851)
We don't all assume the same things, that's the whole point of a discussion

Which is why anyone should be able to bring their opinions to the table.

Cherie 10-10-2017 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 9653859)
Which is why anyone should be able to bring their opinions to the table.

Naturally, the table is there for you

the truth 10-10-2017 10:55 PM

It should best person for the job ...sadly politically correctness forces people to employ a certain percentage of people from different groups regardless of whether they are good or crap at their job

Brillopad 11-10-2017 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9653568)
White people like to pretend that diverse employment thinks that they'll somehow be discriminated against and unable to get a job if the competition is an ethnic minority but that's just an excuse to place the blame elsewhere.

An employer will never hire someone ill suited to the job just because they fulfill a quota. It just doesn't happen in most places. It's not worth the wasted time and resources, plus, depending on the hierarchy of the workplace in question, if it's not the boss doing hiring and firing, a badly suited new employee reflects badly on the person who gave them a job.

When I've hired people I was always advised to judge it on two things mostly, suitability for the job and how well their personality would mesh with the other employees. Sometimes the best person for the job isn't always the most suitable, sometimes you look for a good attitude and potential instead of raw suitability. I've personally have never been made to make an employment decision based on race or anything else. Hell, most companies I've worked for won't even ask that kind of stuff until after you've been employed and you have to fill out your details and such.

I think it obvious it was the black woman trying to to place the blame elsewhere here. Don’t let that stop you turning it around completely though and blame whites. :bored:

Cherie 11-10-2017 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9653981)
It should best person for the job ...sadly politically correctness forces people to employ a certain percentage of people from different groups regardless of whether they are good or crap at their job

it should indeed two recent instances spring to mind

we need more women in the Cabinet

and we need to look for a female coach for the England women's team...:umm2: again it should be the best person for the job not a woman for the sake of it..

Oliver_W 11-10-2017 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9654328)
it should indeed two recent instances spring to mind

we need more women in the Cabinet

and we need to look for a female coach for the England women's team...:umm2: again it should be the best person for the job not a woman for the sake of it..

Politics and sports are both quite cut-throat, any hires for the sake of it wont last. If anyone is stupid enough to hire someone just for their irrelevant identities, they'll learn their lesson soon enough.

Tom4784 11-10-2017 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9654167)
I think it obvious it was the black woman trying to to place the blame elsewhere here. Don’t let that stop you turning it around completely though and blame whites. :bored:

Try to understand the context of what I'm saying before you stuff your foot into your mouth.

Oliver_W 11-10-2017 11:52 AM

Speaking of diversity hires, I heard somewhere that Justin Trudeau's "gender balanced cabinet" largely has pointless roles for a lot of the female hires, where they're "junior ministers" or something. I don't care enough to look into it fully, but I just find it amusing that behind his virtue signalling, he won't give them real jobs.


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