The Punisher (Lauded by audiences as Marvel's best so far)
 

6 episodes in and the show has really lived up to my expectations, and I've been waiting for another Punisher standalone for bloody years. Has pretty much everything I wanted from the show, and the parts that do sometime lack (didn't like the car chase in Episode...3?, and the FBI plot isn't always the best) are made up for by Bernthal's performance as Frank, definitely the strongest performance in the MCU so far.

I watched one episode yesterday and thought it was decent, meant to watch another today before work but I slept in late so couldn't.

I hope they don't forget the heart of the character that they established in Daredevil, Jon Bernthal's interpretation of the character is the best I've seen because he brings such heart and pathos to a character that more often is portrayed as nothing but an avatar of murder.

Already finished it, was for me the best marvel series on Netflix by far. Really enjoyed the story lines through and how it all played out in the end, the gun fight where very well done.

Yes, finished it last night and it's my #1 too. Absolutely brilliant. I was a little worried beforehand that they'd tone down the violence because it's a Marvel show, but bloody hell it got pretty brutal towards the end. Bernthal was really born for this role, I thought Thomas Jane was pretty good in the 2004 film but he's been blown out the water here.

I loved the first half of the season but in the second half every episode felt like a finale, couldn't stop watching. Was up until 7am with it yesterday. Well, today.

It was okay, the performances were great, the dialogue was decent and the issues were well handled but the overall plot was riddled with tropes and I thought it covered territory too well traversed in Daredevil S2. The first half of the season was quite boring too.



Overall I'd say it's better than Iron Fist but weaker than the other Marvel Netflix shows. It had the talent but the story was too hackneyed and boring in parts.

Jessica Jones remains the best Marvel Netflix show and it's not even close.

Great to see this is still the highest rated Marvel show on IMDb, will probably stay that way now

I can't imagine why, it's incredibly generic.

Sounds like you're in the vast minority in those thoughts

I dunno, I'd still put it above Cage and DD S2 to be honest... ironically, excluding the Punisher parts of DD S2, which were better than The Punisher. :think:

But I agree about the retreading; it's a bit frustrating really. They sort of had him work through a lot of these issues in DD, only to start Punisher with him working through those exact same issues.

JJ does remain the best written Marvel show for me, with the best villain too, my only real issue with JJ is that her powers are completely inconsistent... they literally change in range and strength from episode to episode. They need to lock down what she actually can and can't do.

I'm glad to be since the majority lacks taste, it seems.

Punisher had a bad first half and a poor supporting cast, Luke Cage had a bad last half and a good supporting cast. That's what puts Luke Cage ahead of it for me. When it comes to DD season 2, the Hand stuff was woeful but the Punisher arc was great as was Elektra before she became too ingrained with the generic ninjas.

I think inconsistent powers are a problem in a lot of Superhero shows, The Flash can run across the US in a second for pizza but can't dodge a punch to save his life for example. They go all out on big scenes without considering the consistency of scenes where powers are used where the budget is tighter.

This was actually something that really bugged me in the recent DC crossover arc. Which I do think was generally great but... In the final episode Flash takes on Reverse Flash and, while Flash is now much faster, they're still running about the city and by the looks of them, it would take maybe 5 - 10 seconds to get across the city.

But then...

At the end of the episode, he shoots off to Star City to collect John Diggle and (also overlooking the fact that Diggle's organs would be liquidised by the G's)... He does that also in 5 seconds. Presumably something like a 400 mile round trip :think:. I suppose MAYBE you could argue that most of his time is spent getting up to full speed so he's slower in a chase constantly changing direction, and faster over a long distance in a straight line? But still a stretch.

Same with the film really; flash can catch bullets with time to spare, and yet batman manages to stop him from falling by catching his ankle with a grappling rope? Wut? He wouldn't even be able to see him :joker:. WW is a little inconsistent too, given that she deflects bullets with the bracelet things which would mean she needs Flash / Superman-like reflexes and speed, and yet, in normal combat she doesn't have that sort of speed.

However... My main issue with JJ is that the inconsistency is actually a logical one with her powers and... Well... Physics. She has Luke Cage level strength but ZERO protection like the indestructible skin or bone density. Which means, if she hits someone or something at full strength, she would skin her hand and break her own hand and probably arm. I can accept her super jumps because you could argue that she takes the impact of the landing by bending her legs, and the super strength muscles act like suspension... But the impact of a full swing punch? She would be tearing herself apart :shrug:. I need more info, it impacts my suspension of disbelief! The flash-batman-grapple was the only moment of JL that really did that... It's the same sort of thing. I have plenty of flexibility with what I'll believe but there's a limit :nono:

Would only consider putting DD S1 up there with it. DD S2 maybe if it wasn't so focused on the Hand and more on Fisk and Punisher. All in all though, I've enjoyed all of their Netflix shows as JJ was cool and different and Luke Cage could have been great if the best character wasn't killed off early.