Ellis: An Important Message
 

The Ellis situation sends out an important message to the public:

"You cannot trust twitter and facebook"

Why?

Because if she'd made those same comments in a private text message or a hand-written letter, had written them down in a diary, or had simply said them out loud to someone - then she would not be in this situation.

It is because they are on twitter that this is happening.

So what are twitter/facebook really about then?

Some kind of trapping device, to be used against people if they ever become famous?

This is why I (and many many others) do not have accounts on those platforms. Well dodgy.

We ALL make mistakes and say dumb stuff about other people, especially when we are young. EVERYONE does.
Should we ALL be punished in this way, for dumb stuff we said when we were children?

Literally one of the first things my wife did when her name started becoming known / recognised professionally was to completely delete her old Facebook account and start a new "clean" one.

It's not just things you might have said once upon a time, there are all sorts of pitfalls. Pictures of her drunk as a teenager, other people tagging her in (professionally) inappropriate pictures and statuses, etc. etc... there's no way anyone can remember everything that will be on their social media going back years. If you're ever in a position where your name is going to be "out there", you just need to shut it all down completely and have a blank slate that you keep a tight control over.

Personally, I have very little interest in social media (I find it utterly toxic) so I deleted my own facebook and the account I have now is purely for keeping in touch with some people who only use FB messenger, and local buying/selling etc. pages which can be very handy. I don't post pictures / statuses etc. at all and I remove it if anyone tags me in anything.

But lets get this straight


ITS NOT ABOUT ELLIS OR RACISM ITS ABOUT FEAR OF BLAME AND LOSS OF ADVERTISING REVENUE BY C5

Do BB care about the plight of Pakistani people - no, they dont give a flying fck


Are individual execs who work their afraid they could be affected and blamed for having a girl in who said this, yes

could it go on to impact on ad revenue? yes

so she goes to save them from blame

its all money


all money

Of course it is, but no one is really saying that it isn't. It's about public image... but people need to be aware of that and the potential consequences. e.g. do you think anyone at Starbucks HQ gives a flying **** that one of their managers kicked out a couple of guys who hadn't made a purchase? Of course not. But they HAVE to pretend like they do / be seen to be doing something about it when the **** hits the fan.

So deleting / controlling one's social media isn't about some moral crusade to "delete those nasty things", it's sensible self preservation and being aware of how the world works, i.e., it is RARELY fair and if you leave yourself open to being thrown under the bus to save someone else's arse, it's going to happen.

yes but that poor wee girl had no idea she was going to go into BB


Its more anti-scottish behavoir from English london-metrosexuals


Hardeep all over again


sickening xenophobia

:bored:

Posting on TiBB is fine though.

it's good that BB goes to ITV then, maybe they have better rules, morals than C5, who had now ejected Ellis for something she did outside the house, while honestly you can only really eject someone for what he/she does in the house

I am glad shes out, and TBH why did BB Pick her in the first place.

C5's selection procedure for BB are messy :laugh2:

She knew long enough in advance that she could have deleted her twitter account :umm2:. Whether or not she would have had the foresight to do that is another matter but, I guess, that's really what the thread is about; people NEED to be aware of this stuff.

Also, again, the sectarian stuff is pretty objectively bad LT :joker:. I obvz don't find it shocking and, bloody weirdly, it was making me oddly nostalgic... because I grew up in Ayrshire and so was surrounded by that crap for my entire childhood. She reminds me a bit of a LOT of kids I went to school with :laugh:.. And like I said on the other thread; I imagine she really has no real concept of what it is she's saying or why it's as bad as it is... she's just repeating things she's grown up with.

It's a bit of an odd conflict going on for me. I find her posts totally toxic, damaging and not at all acceptable and YET I still find myself feeling sort of bad for her in many ways.

Its shows a production team who could care less tbh

The real culprits are the faceless wonders who chose her

lets get their names and publish them for people to have a go at

people are talking about it as if it was something new and surprising

fb and twitter etc are public platforms, comparing it to writing a letter is wrong
it's more like going to the main square and shouting something, not a private letter
she should have taken precautions like disguising her identity or even better stop being racist etc

Exactly.

I also remember writing on a political forum at one time.

Someone had copied an article from someone else, using the same byline but had left out the final sentence which made it clear it was not the view of who had written it and used it against the poster.

I only noticed when I read the same article elsewhere and noticed that it had been removed.

It's a minefield.

Yes I agree.

Over 20,000 applicants for the show. Here’s an idea - when you come up with your successful 15 applicants get your research teams to RESEARCH the candidates. That’s what they are there for...

Having said that I am very glad this posturing, incoherent mess of a girl is out. At least she only has 2 days to live down...

Good point

I guess the main differences are.... with sites like TiBB - people are not being their actual selves; we all write through fake avatars here, which are like fictional characters we pretend to be. Our comments here are not necessarily real, they are written more for fun with a bit of edge and spice.

Whereas Twitter/Facebook are personal, they are all about the actual person and their actual views.

Plus twitter/facebook are very public; Also they are constantly used to judge people and to 'name and shame' them. Other sites like TiBB are simply not used in that same way. They don't carry the same kudos in the public sphere.

I guess sites like TiBB etc could be used in that way if someone was really desperate, and committed to trawling up any kind of dirt to try to harm someone, but they are just not the same for reasons above.

I assume she will still say half the stuff she posted

The real message it sends to us is:

Lock your twitter account before into the house.
The extra 300 followers aren't worth it sis lock it up.

Being a racist cow isn't edgy or funny
it might come back to bite you in the booty bitch, don't do it x

i would add, dont leave your backdoor open to intruders

She would have been blissfully unaware she was being racist, ironically she would have been thinking she was getting likes and grown up for showing compassion to the victims of 9/11 (although i very much doubt she knows where New York is or that 9/11 is a date format in American order(

True say

Today, it's bigoted comments against POC/gays/women that are being dug up from the past and punished

That's how it starts..

Then tomorrow it will be bigoted comments against whites/men/straights that will be dug up and punished

They say it's about 'protecting people's feelings'

But is it really just about control?

Big Brother is watching....

:eyes:

idk, i liked her more than some other housemates

Don't be racist and put your account in private mode. Damn, it's not that hard.
She deserved it plain and simple, no debate about this.

You've answered your own question.

Things said behind closed doors are behind closed doors.

A lot of people just don't think of things like Twitter and Facebook as what they are... a PUBLIC DOMAIN.

So, yes when you're posting things on them, it's as good as physically saying it in public and then getting a reputation based on that.

So, Twitter and Facebook aren't dodgy, they're just not suitable for such naive and immature people.

No use blaming social media itself, it's people's use of these platforms that is their pitfall.

Also, there is no "punishing people for being young and dumb", people don't want to associate with someone who has such offensive material ATTACHED to their name on a PUBLIC platform.
You can say she did such and such when she was 15, but it's still there under her username on the internet years later.

it's honestly not that hard to just not be racist lol