Did anyone find Cameron’s talk with cian uncomfortable?
 

And it was only a few minutes after he was in the dairy room saying nobody cared about him and that he wasn’t anyone’s priority and that he felt left out, only to be told the person he confided in doesn’t trust him. Bloody vile

Yeah, I felt really bad for Cian, he just looks deflated. Cameron hasn't even really explained why he doesn't trust him. Is it because he said he fancied him? ffs ridiculous

Cameron's talk with anyone is uncomfortable.

You would moan if he hadnt have told him...he would be a gossiping fakey backstabber, who is two faced...


But he has the courage and decency to go tell cian the truth about how he feels...he owes cian nothing, so why should he tip toe round him.

Which part of my post said ‘Cameron owes cian the world’

He doesn’t owe him anything practically but that still didn’t make it harsh and not very considerate

I liked that Cameron told him to his face too

did i say you did......NO,NO I DIDNT

it was actually really considerate? unless you want cameron to string him along and play with his feelings and emotions? giving him false hope?

now that would be nasty and inconsiderate:nono:

It was awkward...but I thought Cameron was totally honest and didn't just say what Cian wanted to hear.
Cian needs to get a bit of backbone and be as equally honest with Cameron and tell him how he feels instead of running off and sulking.


Its a shame Cian feels isolated...but maybe he has only himself to blame.

No.
He went to him, talked to him alone, calmly and reasonably.
He laid his thoughts and feelings down to him, being as sensitively direct as he could.

It should be remembered and I like Cian, also without alcohol I doubt Cian would have done things this way.
He told others before Cameron he fancied him.
Then went to Cameron afterwards.

That put Cameron in a very awkward position if he couldn't reciprocate the feelings.

It has strained his relationship with Cian, has clouded trust in Cian.
He said so to him.

Cian didn't think of Cameron's feelings when he mouthed out his attraction to the others as to Cameron.

That was sadly bound to be a risk and have some consequences.

I did too, I thought it was fine, and I get where Cameron is coming from, I mean Cian literally outed Cameron before he was ready even if that was funny

Yeah cian is such an asshole for:

- having friends other than Zoe
- being attracted to someone

Evil twat

I felt it was sad, rather than uncomfortable, and felt it was better for Cameron to discuss things with him directly, rather than bitching behind his back. Those sorts of conversations are always difficult to have, but sometimes you just have to be honest, and I give Cameron credit for having the courage to tackle the subject.

I got the impression that the lack of trust he spoke about stemmed from Cian's drunken comments about fancying Cameron, and either Cameron (rightly or wrongly) feeling that he'd almost been outed by this before he was ready, or feeling that Cian was pushing things further than Cameron was comfortable with as soon as he admitted to him he was gay.

Cian has obviously been hurt by this, and I imagine he felt even more hurt, isolated and alone than he already did as a result; I think it will have upset him greatly as I don't believe his intentions were wrong either, but just a drunken mistake which has made him lose the trust of someone he genuinely cared about. I feel part of his upset came from regret.

I don't think Cameron wanted to hurt Cian during this conversation either- he'd recognised that Cian was not feeling good and was isolating himself, and I think he wanted to explain things from his point of view. I think his motives were genuine.

All in all, I think this is just one of those difficult and sad situations in which two people cause each other pain with no intention of doing so. But poor Cian is obviously hurting badly at the moment, and that is hard to watch. I just hope that someone in there is able to offer him a little bit of comfort.

Actually, that's a great post, you've changed my mind on it, I agree

...(..also..)..a perfect post, Garfie..:love:...I felt so much for Cian but it’s one of those things sadly...that is just is what it is and it’s something he addressed as well as he could have...


...I do feel though at the time...Lewis did add to it by constantly saying his drunken actions were careless and reckless and without consideration..both to Cameron and to Cian ...when it was a slip through alcohol of a moment...but still a slip that should never ever have happened...

Thanks. I think part of the conversation was edited out- probably cut down because it was too long- and that's why it seemed Cameron's explanation wasn't clearly explained at the time. I felt producers were expecting us to rely on previous conversations in order to understand what Cameron was referring to. Well, that's how I've come to my conclusions anyway.

I really felt for both Cian and Cameron in this situation, and hope they are eventually able to repair and rebuild their friendship.

Was it just me that spent the whole conversation wondering why bb didnt sound the alarm for cian lying there with his eyes shut!

...yeah it was just you, Parmy...you’re made of stone..:laugh:..

..I tend to do that when they have kitchen arguments and dramas...often all I can think is...OMG, I couldn’t eat anything in that house...is no one going to clean up...I couldn’t even argue in in that mess... I would have to take it outside, as they say...

Yeah me too Garfie, but I also agree with Ammis point above about Lewis making it worse than it could have been aswell.

..Cameron also addressed something quite negative in a more mature and positive way than we’ve ever seen from him, I think...which was away from Lewis...around Lewis he tends to address negative things in a completely different way...and much more akin to Lewis...

Thank you, Ammi. :thumbs:

Do you know, I totally agree with you about Lewis fuelling Cameron's discomfort regarding Cian; Cameron even used the term 'reckless' when he first spoke to Cian about it. I remember this particularly as I'd never heard the word used in this context before Lewis used it.

I truly think that if they'd been left to their own devices to sort it out between themselves without the input of Lewis, they might have laughed it off and all might have been forgiven at the time.

At the time, I felt that Lewis had almost orchestrated the rift that developed between them, so that he'd receive all the credit for helping Cameron to come out, when he was clearly being supported in this by Cian as well.

Sometimes, I wonder if he's using his relationship with Cameron to boost his own ego and to make himself appear like some sort of guru who can achieve things that no-one else can. To me, it's almost like he wants to have Cameron all to himself, and distanced from others, so that he can manipulate his thoughts, feelings and views. Almost like he wants to control him. Sometimes he gives me the impression of being an almost Frankenstein like figure, and at times their relationship has left me feeling uncomfortable, and this is the reason I have described it as unhealthy in the past.

I recognise I am going to be slaughtered for this view, and therefore stress that this is only my impression. However, I'm preparing for the onslaught!

Did anyone find Cameron's talk with Cian uncomfortable.
Asks this thread.

Then hey ho, it evolves into another Lewis bashing thread.
Even though neither Cian or Cameron mentioned Lewis in the slightest.

Good post but I don't really feel Cameron has a real reason for his lack of trust. It's not like Cian made a pass at him or anything like that. Had Cameron not been gay, Cian could still have fancied him so I don't see that telling him he has a crush is outing him, though it was patently obvious to everyone watching that Cameron coming out was coming. I think he should be flattered rather than making it into something bad or wrong. The problem with Cameron is he is letting Lewis paranoia run him too so he sees ulterior motives in everything other people in the house say or do. I feel sorry for Cian, I don't think he deserves to be a person is not trusted.

If anything I think Lewis pushed Cameron into outing himself, ready or not.

....hmmm I do think Lewis genuinely likes Cameron...but I do feel that his affection for him is somewhat also based on Cameron being his ‘little bro’ and kind of idolising him..?...I think he was always going to self proclaim the biggest support in Cameron coming out...(as his big bro..)...but Cian’s slip threatened it all so it would have been more of a clumsily, stumbling out, rather than a coming out..?...I honestly don’t know if that would make him feel more for himself and the support he hoped to play...or for Cameron in it taking his moment from him..?...but he definately focused no thoughts or feelings whatsoever into Cian and how he would have been feeling awful enough...and he really didn’t need constantly being told he was careless...he was feeling every careless moment for himself already...

if Cameron feels he doesn't trust Cian ,there must be a reason,none of us see what goes on 24/7, he wouldn't not trust him for no reason and fair play to Cameron for telling Cian to his face,