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Crimson Dynamo 31-10-2018 08:45 AM

Navy commander accused of sexually assaulting colleague cleared in 57 minutes
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/...eg?imwidth=700

A court martial took less than an hour to clear a Royal Navy Commander of sexual assault after he begged them not to ruin his career over a "schoolboy prank".

Commander Steven Heap allegedly left a female colleague's bottom sore after shocking her with two “firm slaps” during a Christmas party,
in what he said was an “amusing not sexual” act of "drunken buffoonery".


The 48-year-old, who received an MBE from Prince Charles, told the hearing he was very drunk when he slapped her backside on the
dance floor but insisted it was a “prank” and he was “showboating”.

The panel of five senior male officers cleared Cdr Heap of two counts of sexual assault after 57 minutes of deliberations.

Assistant Judge Advocate General Robert Hill said: "To convict him, you must be sure there was a sexual purpose to the slaps".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...eague-cleared/

Niamh. 31-10-2018 09:11 AM

So he actually admitted it and they still cleared him, not surprised

Nicky91 31-10-2018 09:13 AM

this sort of inappropriate behaviour from a respected navy commander, i am shocked honestly

Crimson Dynamo 31-10-2018 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10324833)
this sort of inappropriate behaviour from a respected navy commander, i am shocked honestly

it was a Christmas party

Niamh. 31-10-2018 09:17 AM

"The slap was hard, not a caress or a grope."

So it was assault then? If he'd slapped her face it would certainly be assault but because it's her ass, it's neither assault nor sexual assault? why is that? They're basically saying a man has a right to slap a woman on the arse again, whether she's ok with it or not

Crimson Dynamo 31-10-2018 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10324837)
"The slap was hard, not a caress or a grope."

So it was assault then? If he'd slapped her face it would certainly be assault but because it's her ass, it's neither assault nor sexual assault? why is that? They're basically saying a man has a right to slap a woman on the arse again, whether she's ok with it or not

Neem five senior male officers did look at this and cleared the man and their remit was sexual assault only, this was not a court

joeysteele 31-10-2018 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10324837)
"The slap was hard, not a caress or a grope."

So it was assault then? If he'd slapped her face it would certainly be assault but because it's her ass, it's neither assault nor sexual assault? why is that? They're basically saying a man has a right to slap a woman on the arse again, whether she's ok with it or not

That's what this result seems to boil down to.
Sadly.

user104658 31-10-2018 09:23 AM

"Cleared" seems ridiculous. In this case, I actually don't think he should lose his career over this incident and it frankly isn't sexual assault... however... it is deeply inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour - from anyone, let alone someone in a position of power, let alone alone someone in a position of power in something like the military which has or should have strict conduct rules.

So whilst, again, I don't think he should lose his career over this... he should, at the very least, have it on his record and also be made to attend some mandatory training on what is and isn't acceptable conduct? Just saying "nah it's fine" seems totally bizarre.

Livia 31-10-2018 09:31 AM

What an idiot. But he shouldn't lose his whole career because of one stupid, drunken incident. Women shouldn't expect to have their arse slapped, had it been me I'd have lamped the ****er... but I wouldn't expect his whole life to be ruined.

Similarly, I've been at I've been at office parties (before I learned they were the worst place in the world to be) where women have grabbed men inappropriately. I've heard older women say outrageously sexual things to younger men... it's not always men who are inappropriate.

user104658 31-10-2018 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10324854)
I've heard older women say outrageously sexual things to younger men... it's not always men who are inappropriate.

Older women can be utterly filthy :umm2:... they come to me for their Irish Lottery lucky dips... and a bit of smut :(

Niamh. 31-10-2018 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10324846)
"Cleared" seems ridiculous. In this case, I actually don't think he should lose his career over this incident and it frankly isn't sexual assault... however... it is deeply inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour - from anyone, let alone someone in a position of power, let alone alone someone in a position of power in something like the military which has or should have strict conduct rules.

So whilst, again, I don't think he should lose his career over this... he should, at the very least, have it on his record and also be made to attend some mandatory training on what is and isn't acceptable conduct? Just saying "nah it's fine" seems totally bizarre.

Yeah agree with this. I mean what kind of precedent is it setting? It's fine now to go round doing that?

Greg! 31-10-2018 12:16 PM

A mess.

Greg! 31-10-2018 12:17 PM

He's quite obese for someone senior in the armed forces. Should maybe be sacked for that instead

Nicky91 31-10-2018 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 10325009)
He's quite obese for someone senior in the armed forces. Should maybe be sacked for that instead

navy commanders aren't directly into warzones, but from the command centre of their ships, giving orders so also practically having others there either to do the work for them

it's a more mentally stressful job rather than physical stressful, when for the soldiers it's both mentally and physically stressful, who you often hear suffering from PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder)

arista 31-10-2018 12:41 PM

At least there was no rape

Niamh. 31-10-2018 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10325037)
At least there was no rape

That's probably not a good punishment for the guy tbf Arista

user104658 31-10-2018 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10325037)
At least there was no rape

I don't think we can start assessing crimes and misdemeanours based on the fact that there are other worse ones, Arista... "Oh you only murdered 3 people? Well at least you didn't commit genocide! Off home now and don't do anything so silly again."


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