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arista 10-05-2019 08:40 AM

President Trump increases tariffs on thousands of Chinese products
 
Internet modems, furniture,
lighting products, car parts,
vacuum cleaners and building materials
are all affected by the hike.
Donald Trump has increased tariffs
on $200bn (£153bn) of Chinese
imports - heightening tensions with Beijing.
The tariff hike came despite
American and Chinese negotiators meeting
for last-ditch talks in Washington on Thursday.
Import taxes on products from
5,700 categories rose from
10% to 25% at 12.01am Washington time
(5.01am UK time).



China needs to back down
and negotiate a deal with President Trump.

https://news.sky.com/story/us-china-...riffs-11715875

The Slim Reaper 10-05-2019 10:03 AM

All that happens with this, is that the Chinese increase the costs of these things to avoid a loss in profit, which means the American people pay for them, so these tariffs are basically an extra tax for Americans to pay.

He's killing farming in the US with his tariffs in that industry, it's so bad the government is now having to subsidise farmers to help them throuh the trade war their own government created.

Chinese are making more money on their products and the people of the us pay for it, so explain how this forces China to the negotiating table.

Livia 10-05-2019 10:09 AM

I never knowingly buy anything Chinese. I know there are hidden components in things that probably were made in China... but I would never buy a product marked made in China. I'm very choosy over which regimes I send money to.

bitontheslide 10-05-2019 10:18 AM

Trump has shown that he doesnt understand the simplest of economics around trade tariffs so it's a bit of a non starter really. I do think China have had it too easy for too long, so something had to be done about them, but i'm not sure sending the world into recession (which these tariffs will do) is the smartest solution.

Just to explain a little further, the world needs China to be in a position of growth to avoid recession, because it is it's economy that drives growth on the worlds. If China's economy shrinks ... we end up in recession. Simple economics.

arista 10-05-2019 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10543852)
Trump has shown that he doesnt understand the simplest of economics around trade tariffs so it's a bit of a non starter really. I do think China have had it too easy for too long, so something had to be done about them, but i'm not sure sending the world into recession (which these tariffs will do) is the smartest solution.

Just to explain a little further, the world needs China to be in a position of growth to avoid recession, because it is it's economy that drives growth on the worlds. If China's economy shrinks ... we end up in recession. Simple economics.


Yes we are close to that
And Germany

The Slim Reaper 10-05-2019 02:00 PM

When the government subsidises industry, that's the socialism that they all rail against. Are you for Trumps socialist policies, Arista?


arista 10-05-2019 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10543945)
When the government subsidises industry, that's the socialism that they all rail against. Are you for Trumps socialist policies, Arista?



Yes I am
Slim

The Slim Reaper 10-05-2019 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10543950)
Yes I am
Slim

Why didn't you highlight the socialist part? You do understand what he's doing is socialism, right?

arista 10-05-2019 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10543959)
Why didn't you highlight the socialist part? You do understand what he's doing is socialism, right?


No I fully understand socialism
that's why Labour lost the UK General Election
in 1979.

The Slim Reaper 10-05-2019 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10543961)
No I fully understand socialism
that's why Labour lost the UK General Election
in 1979.

I don't even know what you mean there, my friend.

arista 10-05-2019 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10543970)
I don't even know what you mean there, my friend.


A Example of Socialism
and why it does not work

The Slim Reaper 10-05-2019 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10543977)
A Example of Socialism
and why it does not work

But you support this socialist policy from Trump, which is paid by taxpayers to cover up his complete misunderstanding of tariffs and how they work.

Oliver_W 10-05-2019 02:54 PM

Pfft. He's usually been good for the wallets of Joe Public with generally lower taxes and stuff, this ain't a good move.

The Slim Reaper 10-05-2019 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10543984)
Pfft. He's usually been good for the wallets of Joe Public with generally lower taxes and stuff, this ain't a good move.

Joe public are actually worse off under Trump. His tax cut was for the wealthy, and the recent tax fillings from those not at the top highlight this as a fact.

arista 10-05-2019 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10543979)
But you support this socialist policy from Trump, which is paid by taxpayers to cover up his complete misunderstanding of tariffs and how they work.


Its a Necessary Funding

Toy Soldier 10-05-2019 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10543991)
Its a Necessary Funding

It's necessary government funding to keep farmers afloat. That is a socialist policy...

The Slim Reaper 10-05-2019 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10543991)
Its a Necessary Funding

So why is it necessary?

arista 10-05-2019 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10543995)
So why is it necessary?


USA Farmers matter

The Slim Reaper 10-05-2019 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10543997)
USA Farmers matter

Then why did he introduce tariffs in the first place? Anyone who knows anything about this, understands a trade war only forces your own citizens to pay more tax.

Remember on the campaign trail when he said "trade wars are so easy to win" How do you think that is working out for him?

parmnion 10-05-2019 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10543842)
All that happens with this, is that the Chinese increase the costs of these things to avoid a loss in profit, which means the American people pay for them, so these tariffs are basically an extra tax for Americans to pay.

He's killing farming in the US with his tariffs in that industry, it's so bad the government is now having to subsidise farmers to help them throuh the trade war their own government created.

Chinese are making more money on their products and the people of the us pay for it, so explain how this forces China to the negotiating table.





https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft....c-6eeb837566c5

The Slim Reaper 10-05-2019 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10544022)

I can't see what that says. Any chance you can post it in, please? Cheers.

arista 10-05-2019 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10543999)
Then why did he introduce tariffs in the first place? Anyone who knows anything about this, understands a trade war only forces your own citizens to pay more tax.

Remember on the campaign trail when he said "trade wars are so easy to win" How do you think that is working out for him?


Yes
Trade Wars
he likes.

Markets Down

Markets Up


Life In The City.

parmnion 10-05-2019 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10544023)
I can't see what that says. Any chance you can post it in, please? Cheers.

Refresh the page on the link it should work then, it did for me.

The Slim Reaper 10-05-2019 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10544031)
Refresh the page on the link it should work then, it did for me.

Doesn't work.

arista 10-05-2019 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10544031)
Refresh the page on the link it should work then, it did for me.



FT site
YOU have to PAY


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