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former Tory remainers say where next battle will be fought, anti-brexit

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The next year will see a fresh Brexit crisis, parliament sidelined and a renewed threat to the union – but there is still hope for supporters of progressive politics, according to some of the leading figures who took on the government over Brexit.

The 80-strong majority secured by Boris Johnson at the election ended the parliamentary stalemate that left the prime minister unable to push through his Brexit deal. The election also ended the tenures of key figures responsible for leading the battle to oppose his plans.

The Observer spoke to David Gauke, who quit the cabinet; Sam Gyimah, who defected from the Tories to the Lib Dems; Anna Soubry, who set up a new party; and Dominic Grieve, who helped lead the fight against Brexit in parliament, about the crucial year ahead. They pointed to key contradictions in Johnson’s plans that could lead quickly to a Brexit crisis – and predicted he would not pivot towards securing a soft Brexit trade deal with the EU.

Gauke said Johnson was now in an enormously strong position, with parliament unable to curb his plans. However, he said the prime minister now faced the problem of delivering Brexit without inflicting further pain on the very areas, such as the Midlands and the north-east, that delivered him a majority.

“To what extent is he going to deliver a purist form of Brexit, or is he going to look to find a pragmatic way forward that ensures our economy can grow?” he said. “I would have thought the more likely course of action for him is to keep beating the Brexit drum and blame any difficulties on the EU and appear defiant. His determination to diverge makes it hard to see common ground. I hope some kind of pragmatic compromise is the way forward, but given how boxed in he is on the implementation period not being extended and an apparent determination to reject any kind of dynamic alignment, I think we may well find ourselves at the end of 2020 facing real problems.

“The part of the country that is likely to be worst hit by a hard Brexit is the north-east of England, an area that has voted Conservative in a way that is unprecedented. That’s going to make it hard … If you haven’t got a strong economy that gives you the money to spend on the north of England, then it will be very hard to square the circle.”

Gyimah agreed: “Bumper-sticker slogans like ‘take back control’ and ‘get Brexit done’ may unite different tribes for the purposes of a campaign, but their interests are not aligned. The faultlines that run through Brexit are as real as ever.

“There are painful trade-offs ahead, which will affect every sector and every constituency in the country in different ways. An 80-seat majority cannot deny this reality, nor can you use pork-barrel politics to blunt the edge of every hard Brexit policy decision. Most of those new MPs will have some tough explaining to do to their constituents as the rubber hits the road. And a slower-growing economy means less money for public services, and a new era of self-imposed austerity.”

The prospect of securing a good trade deal at the end of 2020 was very uncertain, said Grieve. “One of the themes of the election that continues to be of great concern to me is the risk of ending up with either a very unsatisfactory deal or no deal at all. I think they are very considerable.”

Gauke a Ex MP
has no power to change any route
the Conservatives take.

"The Observer spoke to David Gauke, who quit the cabinet; Sam Gyimah, who defected from the Tories to the Lib Dems; Anna Soubry, who set up a new party; and Dominic Grieve, who helped lead the fight against Brexit in parliament, about the crucial year ahead."

ie spoke to 4 sore losers who want to feel important by predicting negative things to make them feel better

dreadful mid Christmas/New Year puff piece by a failing sunday rag

"about the crucial year ahead."

Yes without the Ex MP's Gauke Gang

yeah this is just nonsense. Brexit will happen on the 31st January. People just need to get used to it and move on

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10743026)

yeah this is just nonsense. Brexit will happen on the 31st January. People just need to get used to it and move on

it's called staying true to your own views, opinions regarding brexit, not just nonsense

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10743065)

it's called staying true to your own views, opinions regarding brexit, not just nonsense

Well said Nicky.

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10743065)

it's called staying true to your own views, opinions regarding Brexit, not just nonsense

Nicky they have no power
all Ex MP's
can not get in Our way.

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10743065)

it's called staying true to your own views, opinions regarding brexit, not just nonsense

their silly views lost them their jobs

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10743081)

Nicky they have no power
all Ex MP's
can not get in Our way.

So why you're so bothered if they can't get in Your way?

People of principle will not change their views because of a lost election

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10743085)

their silly views lost them their jobs

So silly that you voted for a Scottish version of those views. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10743091)

So silly that you voted for a Scottish version of those views. :laugh:

like those sacked members sugar, you have to let something go when its making you look bad:wavey:

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10743092)

like those sacked members sugar, you have to let something go when its making you look bad:wavey:

Exactly, so drop your brexiter act when you vote for SNP bc you look a right tit.

I prefer to discuss brexit with a true believer like Arista not you so :wavey:

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10743065)

it's called staying true to your own views, opinions regarding brexit, not just nonsense

of course its nonsense. Sticking their heads in the sand and saying it wont happen won't change the fact that brexit will occur on 31st January. That is a reality, and they have been booted out by democracy. They are entitled not to like it of course, but it doesn't change the fact that it is happening and they can do squat to change that.

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10743087)

So why you're so bothered if they can't get in Your way?

People of principle will not change their views because of a lost election

Because they wasting our time
On
LBC Radio
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
Ch4HDnews
ITVnewsHD
GMBHD itv
and Radio 4.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10743102)

Because they wasting our time
On
LBC Radio
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
Ch4HDnews
ITVnewsHD
GMBHD itv
and Radio 4.

:clap1:

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10743026)

yeah this is just nonsense. Brexit will happen on the 31st January. People just need to get used to it and move on

Ahhh it would be so nice and simple if that was the case. But no the 31st of January will see us leave with BoJo's deal but that's not Brexit done, there's then the whole Ireland question to have sorted within 2020, which it won't be, so basically we get another year at least of utter ****ing nonsense and then yet more drama at the end of the year,probably ending with BoJo's deal collapsing.

Honestly I think the GenPop is just totally bored with it now as well. At this point people want to "git Brexit dunnnn!!" not because they're passionate about leaving... But because they (mistakenly) believe that when we leave at the end of January they won't have to hear about it any more. They're in for a disappointment there :joker:

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10743112)

if the politicians have any sense they will come up with another word other than ****ing brexit :laugh:

For me, i see it quite simply. We will now have a degree of sovereignty returned to our parliament and it is then up to successive governments to take us in whichever direction they were elected to take us. If that means greater or lesser ties with the EU then thats how it will be. I would imagine there will now be a period of about 20 years where we go back and forth with tweaks to wherever we finally land.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10743102)

Because they wasting our time
On
LBC Radio
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
Ch4HDnews
ITVnewsHD
GMBHD itv
and Radio 4.

We live in a democracy so get used to media reporting on a range of views not just those you approve.
Otherwise switch to media in china or north korea

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10743118)

We live in a democracy so get used to media reporting on a range of views not just those you approve.
Otherwise switch to media in china or north korea

Yes a Fantastic Democracy
Scotland just one Labour MP.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10743116)

if the politicians have any sense they will come up with another word other than ****ing brexit [emoji23]

For me, i see it quite simply. We will now have a degree of sovereignty returned to our parliament and it is then up to successive governments to take us in whichever direction they were elected to take us. If that means greater or lesser ties with the EU then thats how it will be. I would imagine there will now be a period of about 20 years where we go back and forth with tweaks to wherever we finally land.

Yes I suppose "the word" might finally die off, though I'm sure we'll still hear "post-Brexit" plenty. We'll definitely hear plenty of new ones though.

Troubles 2.0? 2roubles? :think:

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10743124)

Yes a Fantastic Democracy
Scotland just one Labour MP.

So dont moan about the media plurality. All views need to be represented.

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10743129)

So dont moan about the media plurality. All views need to be represented.

Hang on
a bunch of Failed Ex MP's
are not plurality

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10743124)

Yes a Fantastic Democracy
Scotland just one Labour MP.

Plenty of SNP though which is essentially labour with a separatist agenda.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10743132)

Hang on
a bunch of Failed Ex MP's
are not plurality

These people are politically active and are influential. Farage is not in parliament either.