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14-07-2020 01:24 PM |
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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper
(Post 10879608)
There is actually a conversation to be had around this subject, but it's so offensive in it's nature that we're just not ready for it. We have no control over our sexuality and who we find attractive, so there are probably a high number of high functioning self-celibate paedophiles that are just unable to talk through their mental health with anyone because of the stigma that is rightly attached.
That said, facebook isn't the place for that discussion to take place, and the attitude they show in that response is just weird and non-committal, but FB's audience is increasingly lining up with 4chan's and QAnon extremists and misinformation.
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There's a line between a paedophile and a child molester and one that I think it's important to keep (but it often isn't, we use terms like "convicted paedophile", when of course paedophilia is not the crime, the action is the crime).
The reason it's important to keep the distinction and destigmatise is so that, hopefully, it should be possible for people with paedophillic urges to seek professional help BEFORE there's a risk of child molestation/assault occuring. In practical terms I think that the natural revulsion at the concept of paedophilia makes this pretty much impossible to achieve, but in safeguarding terms, it would be better if paedophiles could safely admit to being paedophiles in a context of seeking help.
The problem comes when you have groups trying to further an agenda of destigmatisation alongside arguments that it's actually acceptable to ACT upon - usually arguments that children are in fact capable of consent. Calling it "natural" is edging very close to that. It sounds like an attempt to turn it into an issue of "rights" and argue for decriminalisation of child molestation. I had one of these people creep onto my parenting forum when I ran one; I let him stick around for a day for educational puropses and because he was quite articulate (how often do you get to one-on-one with someone with a mindset like that?). He ended up banned, deleted and IP banned. It is an immensely ****ed up ideology and there's absolutely no question of it being "natural", and not mental illness.
They make VERY strong efforts to conflate the issue with other aspects of sexuality and sexual identity, rights of self expression, whilst dodging the philosophy of consent.
There's no conflation and the waters don't need to be "muddy" at all. Consenting adults can do whatever they want sexually so long as both parties consent. Children cannot independently consent TO ANYTHING. It's that simple. There is no overlap. They want to introduce that doubt - to suggest that denying the rights of pedophiles endangers other non-heteronormative rights. That side of things needs to be ignored completely and shut down fast.
I think there's a strong indication that this advert isn't saying "paedophiles should be able to access help" - which IS an important issue - but is in fact saying "paedophilic relationships are fine". Which is obviously dangerous and morally void.
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