This was sent to Ashby Banjo

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...we don’t support equality for you, we just want you to dance for us..not your expression of dance but ours.../...beyond grim...

The saddest thing is Kizzy that some people possibly only watch TV to complain against anything they personally may not agree with.

I mean, re ofcom, I never understood why they entertained complaints about BB for instance.
We were warned about the content of the programme as to sexual nature, offensive language etc; before every showing.
The complaints should have been dismissed.

Perhaps BGT ought to have mentioned what the dance routine by Diversity was to include.
Really though, it was a dance routine.

Good grief, there'll be those complaining next at the segment in 'The King and I' film.
Of a King who had slaves being drowned in a dance/ playhouse presentation.

I think there's times, ofcom needs to advise adequate warnings of content were in place.
So complaints are understood but not validated.
Then advise all programmers to announce any possible content that may be deemed possibly of concern to others.

In relation to the millions who watch BGT, a few thousand complaints are what transpires.

Of course anyone should have the right to complain, however that doesn't mean others time needs to be wasted on what I'd suspect is possible routinely maybe even possibly professional complaining.

Well thanks for that LT it's a prime example of the level of ignorance, arrogance and privilege these men have to deal with constantly. It must be soul destroying to have to filter through comments that read like this every day.

Linda was disappointed :(

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so was Terry

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09...9396053598.jpg

...Kizzy expresses it so much more perfectly than I can...

How many millions watched? And 10,000 complained. Say 10 million watched that's 0.01% of the viewership. 0.01% of 10 million does not represent the Great British Public!

SImon has been quiet so far?

yes, he isn't backing any side

If you complain to Ofcom about something you watched on television, you are a loser. A pathetic Karen that should step away from the TV. It was the same when people used to do it for Big Brother and it’s the same now

Only difference this time is, you’re most likely a racist too

Head down, delighted with the publicity

I’ve just watched the performance and I thought it was great, you could tell the performance meant a lot to them and I thought it was very well choreographed and very inspiring. I don’t know what the complaints are all about, if you don’t like it then simply switch the channel over for 5 or so mins is it really that hard to do?

Good to get a chance to see you post again Jack_

I again agree.

I think calling 10000 people you have never met losers/karens/racists is not such a good thing

Did we not have thread after thread about Meghan Markle where the basis of the argument was "you have never met this women so how can you judge her/hate on her"?

:/

Ridiculous comparison. No one is saying they know the innermost feelings and motives of every single person, including their friends (as happens in the MM threads). I think people are saying that there is a certain kind of person, with a certain kind of racial and political leanings that would be offended by BLM.

You should argue for the protests and explain why, if that's where you're coming from.

Hmm. I don't disagree with that to be honest; I don't think anyone "has to" watch anything the don't like the content of but unless it's actually horrendously inappropriate *cough*Cuties*cough* then the answer is to stop watching the show you don't like... not to report it to Ofcom. It is pathetic. If enough BGT fans start disliking the content, then it'll tank like the other Cowell shows, it doesn't need external regulation.

..........the unironic use of the "Karen" slur, though. You can do better than that, surely. Come on. We've entered 2020(b) now, we don't need sad misogynistic 2020(a) memes tagging along with us. It's been a long year, we're having a half-time.

No Slick Jack

Karen and Gammon is just bringing phrenology back tbh

Genuinely absolutely disgusted at those numbers.

Anyone complaining to Ofcom about a TV show for saying black lives matter are racists tbh. It reminds me of something that happened yesterday, an NFL game I believe in which, in lieu of kneeling in protest while the the anthem was sung, athletes engaged in a moment of silence after the the Anthem ended and yet still a loud stadiumwide chorus of boos opposed that silence.

People can say it's not the right platform or not the right way but that's just code for saying 'I don't want to see it' and they'll oppose it no matter what form it takes as long as it's something they are watching. Racism and white privilege.

It's a minuscule percentage of the people actually watching, i know it's not really point, but it's important to remember that that small number doesn't represent the general feeling of the GBP.

Karen goes beyond gender tbh, anyone can be a Karen. I've encountered far more men in my life that are pure Karens then I have women.

It's a thread about Ofcom complaints... although I suppose you're right as Netflix isn't covered by Ofcom. I was using it as a counter-example of something that is outright inappropriate and thus valid to complain about, as opposed to this which is not a valid target for "official complaints".

This scandal could put the Christmas BGT in doubt

As have I and I agree in sentiment, but at this point the term is used too frequently by misogynistic people to make misogynistic statements aimed at women for it to get "a pass". Not really trying to start a debate on it, I just think it's a term that could do with being left behind.

It represents the people so enraged that they want to make their voices heard but I think a lot of people who aren't so angered to action would agree with the complaints. I know of a lot of people who find BLM tiresome and don't care about it which is a very privileged position to take.

There's nothing privileged about disliking riots and destruction. If BLM's protests looked more like ones by Extinction Rebellion, people would have a lot more sympathy for them.

Escalating protests into riots is basically pissing on the graves of the dead they were protesting for.

as is promoting closing all UK prisons (with no plan what to next) defunding our police and getting rid of the NHS and all business in the UK

People are complaining about this terrifying secret organisation and its advert by a misguided dance troup looking for likes

Look to the NFL example I mentioned earlier, racists will oppose any and all forms of protests as long as they are made to witness it. They want black people to be neither seen nor heard.

If you honestly think people oppose the protests because of the destruction wrought by Right Wing infiltrators then you're not paying attention. They'll find a reason to oppose any kind of action that could lead to the problems being sorted.

Well you can think that, doesn't mean it's true. Im just saying that over 99% of people didn't complain thus not representing the general GBP. Im just trying to look at the bigger picture.

Firstly there's no proof that all the riots were triggered by the right wing.

Second, any form of protest which associates itself with the BLM movement taints itself by their more extreme actions,

But just because people didn't lodge an official complaint doesn't mean that they disagree or agree with the complaints. You can't make a judgement either way.

I can only say from personal experience that I think a lot of people would have agreed with complaints but they probably wouldn't have officially complained beyond posting about it on Facebook.

Cast your mind back to a while ago in that thread when I literally provided you with about 5 or 6 articles in which the police of entirely separate states and jurisdictions all announced that riots in their respective areas were started by Right Wingers and white supremacists. You saw that post and you responded to it so all this post is is wilful ignorance for the sake of presenting BLM in a way that benefits your own agenda.

That doesn't mean every single riot was sparked by them.

Do you still have the links? I can't remember what thread they were in.

But it's enough to see a pattern, and no, you'll have to do your own research. I'm not bending over backwards again to have you just dismiss stuff you don't want to acknowledge.

I guess it depends where you live/the people you know (the royal you). Where i live and the people i know, it's not been an issue. For example, i asked my mum if she watched, she said 'yes', i said 'have you heard about some people complaining', she said 'no, why did they complain' - which imo was the correct response.

I feel the same way, i don't see why anyone would complain, everyone should be allowed to express themselves (which i guess on the other side of the 'argument' you could say 'well people should also be allowed to voice their concerns', but that's a can of worms i do not wish to open).

...With Ofcom still deciding whether to investigate the complaints, the furore looks set to rage on. As it does, it will be up to ITV to consider whether “BGT Does BLM” was a risk worth taking. It isn’t unthinkable that the broadcaster will conclude the opposite – that the performance has ultimately done more harm than good.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/itv...shed-britains/

I don’t think it’s fair to rebrand Karen as a slur.. the way I understand the phase is it’s used to call out and ascribe a certain type of entitled ‘I wish to speak to the manager’ mindset. The Karen subreddit is devoted to more extreme versions of this that mostly extend to anti vaxxers, anti maskers, racists, people who are extremely abusive to customer service and staff, and most of the most upvoted posts are men exhibiting this sort of behaviour..

For example I think this is a great example of ‘Karens’ going out of their way to complain about people speaking out against racism.

The individual complaints and what they are as they have not been published - i dont think they ever are

All we know is that a number of people have contacted offcom

id imagine they cover a wide range of subjects about the ill-judged performance

itv will only care if their viewer figures go down as a result or advertisers jump ship and I would think both are highly unlikely, Ofcom won't do anything ... that's a given