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Trouble1321075 20-09-2020 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10917455)
Prior to Garland, republican presidents appointed judges if dems held the senate, and dem presidents appointed judges with republican senates.

It's not even a dem issue, republicans just decided to take a dump on precedent and started inventing their own rules and now they've decided that their own rules don't apply to them. Because you're a republican I can understand that you don't care (even though these things are cyclical and will come back around eventually), but to not even acknowledge reality doesn't make a lot of sense.

Im not denying reality. I am acknowledging it. Republicans control the senate and the whitehouse. They are going to confirm a judge to their liking.

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Trouble1321075 20-09-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10917461)
You're endorsing that politicians, people in power, act in bad faith, you treat this like it's a game in which you have to do anything to win and it's not. It's about securing human rights, it's not about winning or losing. If those in power act in bad faith, then they must pay the consequences because the decisions that the SC make are no joke.



If Republicans opposed the appointment of a new Judge in 2016 because it was an election year, they simply cannot change their minds because it now benefits them. When you enforce a standard upon others, you must also adhere to it.



I'm not naive, you have simply divorced yourself from your own sense of morality just so you can bend over backwards to exalt the republicans from blame. It's utterly ridiculous that anyone would support those in charge acting in such bad faith against the interests of the people and find it acceptable because it's 'their side' that benefits from it. Politics is not a game.

I have not divorced myself. If it were up to me i would force congress to handle things differently than they do. What your suggesting is that republicans should not act in their own selfish interests when we all know democrats do the same thing.
Do you remember how they passed ACA into law, did you complain about that? It was dirty pool and the left defended it. Politics isnt a gentleman's game its a bare knuckle fight.

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Trouble1321075 20-09-2020 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10917462)
It might actually do the US good to have abortion taken away for a couple of years, so they can start to realise the US experiment was to move away from European theocracies not create a new one.

Abortion should be decided on a local level not a federal one.

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Trouble1321075 20-09-2020 01:43 PM

To put an exclamation point on this conversation about hypocrisy. This season of BB usa we have 3 blacks on the show. 2 girls and 1 guy. The girls were approach about voting out the guy and they said they would not vote out someone who is black. I personally don't have a problem with that. They can vote on who they want for whatever reason they want but imagine the reaction if someone said they would not vote out a white person. There is no shortage of hypocrisy on either side. The selective outrage based on partisanship does not move me. Both sides are guilty of it and neither side has any room to complain about it when they get a taste of it back.

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The Slim Reaper 20-09-2020 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouble1321075 (Post 10917477)
Abortion should be decided on a local level not a federal one.

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So local that it's decided on the female level.

You do realise the first 2 things they'll do will be to abolish abortion at the federal level (rendering local level irrelevant), and cancel obamacare, kicking millions off healthcare and removing pre-condition protections, in the middle of a pandemic?

Trouble1321075 20-09-2020 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10917494)
So local that it's decided on the female level.

You do realise the first 2 things they'll do will be to abolish abortion at the federal level (rendering local level irrelevant), and cancel obamacare, kicking millions off healthcare and removing pre-condition protections, in the middle of a pandemic?

I think i may be the one person on the planet who is indifferent about abortion.
As far as obamacare goes, i don't think it should of ever been passed in the first place. I think it makes matters even worse than they were before. It is the wrong approach to lowering costs if thats the goal.

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Tom4784 20-09-2020 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouble1321075 (Post 10917475)
I have not divorced myself. If it were up to me i would force congress to handle things differently than they do. What your suggesting is that republicans should not act in their own selfish interests when we all know democrats do the same thing.
Do you remember how they passed ACA into law, did you complain about that? It was dirty pool and the left defended it. Politics isnt a gentleman's game its a bare knuckle fight.

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You're making excuses for selfish behaviour by people who should be fighting for you, not degrading your rights for their own profit.

Hypothetical hypocrisy does not counter very real hypocrisy. You can bleat on about democrats forever, but it doesn't change the fact you are defending ACTUAL hypocrisy just because it comes from the side you favour.

Yes, how dare the Democrats pass a law that granted affordable healthcare to those who wouldn't have it before. Such hypocrites. Oh wait, creating a law that benefits the country is way different to forcing through the appointment of a judge that defies precedent that the Republicans enforced during the last election year. Honestly, your comparison just doesn't work. Apples and oranges.

It's quite sad how people will defend those who stand upon their necks.

Trouble1321075 20-09-2020 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10917512)
You're making excuses for selfish behaviour by people who should be fighting for you, not degrading your rights for their own profit.



Hypothetical hypocrisy does not counter very real hypocrisy. You can bleat on about democrats forever, but it doesn't change the fact you are defending ACTUAL hypocrisy just because it comes from the side you favour.



Yes, how dare the Democrats pass a law that granted affordable healthcare to those who wouldn't have it before. Such hypocrites. Oh wait, creating a law that benefits the country is way different to forcing through the appointment of a judge that defies precedent that the Republicans enforced during the last election year. Honestly, your comparison just doesn't work. Apples and oranges.



It's quite sad how people will defend those who stand upon their necks.

The democrats are not fighting for you any more than the republicans are fighting for me. They are telling us the things they think we want to hear to get our votes. They dont give a damn about you, me or anyone but themselves.
You claim i am defending the republicans because I favor them. I generally do view them as the lesser of two evils but that has nothing to do with I am defending them. I am defending them because they are not breaking any rules. I may or may not like the judge they appoint, i dont like the last 2, but they have the power and the right to nominate whoever they want. If democrats think its unfair they should of made a rule in congress that prevents it. Don't forget it was harry reid who ended the filibuster rule for judges when he was the democrats leader of the senate. If that rule were in place the democrats could of blocked not just this next nomination but the 2 previous ones as well. Democrats didn't like having their judicial nominations blocked. They didn't want to negotiate with the other side so they changed it to a simple majority vote and now they are reaping what they sowed.
Rest assured republicans are gonna find themselves in the wrong side of this rule someday too. I will be equally unsympathetic to them too.

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Nicky91 20-09-2020 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouble1321075 (Post 10917467)
Im not denying reality. I am acknowledging it. Republicans control the senate and the whitehouse. They are going to confirm a judge to their liking.

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yep and they will remain like that until 2040 at least since that is how long Trump is gonna remain in office

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Trouble1321075 20-09-2020 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10917572)
yep and they will remain like that until 2040 at least since that is how long Trump is gonna remain in office



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im assuming you meant 2024

If that does happen, I can see Trump getting 2 more appointees. Breyer is getting up their in years and thomas has expressed a desire to retired in the past. The scotus could end up with 5 Trump appointees on it.

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Tom4784 20-09-2020 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouble1321075 (Post 10917522)
The democrats are not fighting for you any more than the republicans are fighting for me. They are telling us the things they think we want to hear to get our votes. They dont give a damn about you, me or anyone but themselves.
You claim i am defending the republicans because I favor them. I generally do view them as the lesser of two evils but that has nothing to do with I am defending them. I am defending them because they are not breaking any rules. I may or may not like the judge they appoint, i dont like the last 2, but they have the power and the right to nominate whoever they want. If democrats think its unfair they should of made a rule in congress that prevents it. Don't forget it was harry reid who ended the filibuster rule for judges when he was the democrats leader of the senate. If that rule were in place the democrats could of blocked not just this next nomination but the 2 previous ones as well. Democrats didn't like having their judicial nominations blocked. They didn't want to negotiate with the other side so they changed it to a simple majority vote and now they are reaping what they sowed.
Rest assured republicans are gonna find themselves in the wrong side of this rule someday too. I will be equally unsympathetic to them too.

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Of course they aren't fighting for me, I'm not american.

There's no logic in saying that the Republicans are the lesser of two evils when you have Mitch McConnell voting down measures to prevent outside influence (IE Russia) with the election, choosing to vote down Covid relief in favour of making more judge appointments etc, how can you say Republicans are the lesser of two evils when Trump has committed endless crimes whilst in office and had all but one of the republicans clear him for it?

Answer me this, how can you say that the republicans are the lesser of two evils when it's been the republicans politicising and underplaying the pandemic to the tune of over 200,000 deaths? How about the human rights abuses going on at the border? Obama introduced a law that gave the authorities the power to seperate immigrant children at the border from their guardians if they suspected abuse and/or trafficking. This power was not used much at all during Obama's administration, yet the Trump administration used it as justification for their cruelty by splitting up thousands of families and leaving children to die in cells they shouldn't have been in. The republicans have basically allowed concentration camps to pop up along the border yet they are the lesser of two evils, in your eyes?!

I advise you spend less time watching Fox News.

arista 23-09-2020 12:34 AM

Ginsburg Supreme Court: Republicans secure vote for replacement


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54254141

bitontheslide 23-09-2020 07:43 AM

Each side does what they have the political power to achieve. It's hardly surprising that the GoP want a new judge in their image when they have the power to see it through, the dems would do exactly the same in that position

arista 26-09-2020 09:15 PM

Trump has now appointed
Was Live on the 2 News Channels

Amy Barrett as the New Supreme Court


She is a Strict Catholic.

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-nom...court-12082954

https://e3.365dm.com/20/09/768x432/a...ervice-worker&

Nicky91 27-09-2020 08:13 AM

very strategic this from Trump, going for a woman :idc:


also he called her a very intellectual lady 4 times (i counted)


very predictable this aiming for women voters

Nicky91 27-09-2020 08:18 AM

but congrats on winning another term Trump (ugh you bought yourself another win)

Tom4784 27-09-2020 01:38 PM

Amy Barrett, who belongs to a religion (Read: cult) that believes women should be subservient to men and may, or may not, have inspired the Handmaid's Tale. She is also, like almost every other republican in existence, a rampaging hypocrite as she said in 2016 that a Supreme Court judge should not be appointed until after the election.

Nicky91 27-09-2020 01:42 PM

also that moment where Trump got boo'd at Ruth's memorial service

i don't think any previous u.s president had been boo'd that much

LeatherTrumpet 27-09-2020 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10922563)
also that moment where Trump got boo'd at Ruth's memorial service

i don't think any previous u.s president had been boo'd that much

clinton was bood more at memorial services and abe lincoln

Cherie 27-09-2020 01:52 PM

Pretty sure Jie Biden is also a catholic, not sure why that has been dragged up in Amy’ case, it’s so close to the election this appointment should have been delayed

bitontheslide 27-09-2020 01:57 PM

She has to go through an approval process the same as Kavanaugh did. The dems need to be very careful how they approach this so that they don't alienate voters ... so things like religion, race, immigration, abortion are all going to be sticky topics

Nicky91 03-10-2020 11:13 AM

2 republican senators test positive for covid-19, potentially jeopardizing Barrett's confirmation vote

https://whdh.com/news/two-gop-senato...irmation-vote/


also Live now ongoing discussion on CNN


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