DO the Labour Party actually like Britain?
 

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is this at the crux of their staggering decline?

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Well they want you to follow their views?

but is it that their views are just unrealistic?

Yes hence the Terrible Local Elections in England for Labour
Starmer is not connecting.

In my humble opinion, Starmer ‘looked’ potentially good for about the first 2 weeks of his ‘reign’ and I was rather optimistic about the political scene .. then he very rapidly just became a complete joke early last year .

Initially he was backing the government in everything - as they fought against Covid began promising that the political parties would all fight as one against the pandemic... that lasted a few weeks and then he started jumping on any passing bandwagon that found any kind of fault with the Tory strategies.

Now he’s almost a caricature of his former , poll winning self ... he’s actually not even worth listening to now .


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Starmer's face in that video yesterday was very weird, i wasn't sure whether he was really angry or was about to cry. It certainly wasn't the face of someone in control

“Does labour like Britain as it stands after a decade of Tory government”

.... well no probably not, otherwise they would not exist? :think: that’s sort of how democracy works isn’t it.

They aren’t currently electable though, they’ve become a mess of identity politics because they (mistakenly) believe there’s more voting power there than there is. They’ve made the classic mistake of confusing “loudness” with actual numbers and have thus alienated the core voter base.

You never know what you're going to get from Labour, there's massive inconsistencies, massive flip flopping across the board. The same could be said for the Tories at times, but Labour seems to be such a divided party and they lack any form of consistency or true leadership. The party unity is non-existent at the moment.

Can't say im a great fan of either party, however from the outside looking in it's easy to see why life-long Labour voters have lost all faith in the current regime.

Edit - As for the actual thread title question, i don't honestly know what they like anymore.

i think the labour party have become an echo chamber pretty much like social media. They reinforce each others doctrines, everyone in their bubble goes ... yeah, lets have more of that, and the result is, it bears no relation to what the population of the uk believe is important to them. The labour party are trying to change the populations thinking rather than reflect what the population actually want.

Conservative MP's
have had calls for better bin collection.

Not about Starmer standing in a John Lewis
Wall Paper section.


We do not need silly tactics Starmer?


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That's a fair and balanced response, pretty much crystalised my views :)

The core voter base is (of course) against things like racism and homophobia by and large, but that doesn't translate to "fling open the borders" and "allow males into women's spaces and sports".

Which isn't all Labour talk about, but as you say the louder voices are heard most, and it allows the mainstream media to paint a caricature.

I think the question is completely disingenuous when the dominant party votes against feeding poor children, uses the pandemic to transfer our taxes to their mates, and with a pm who said "let the bodies pile high." Just like society, we have posters that cheer them on through all this.

There are machinations that have been taking place within labour for years, with the right of the party openly working against the left. All of this has been laid out within their internal reports but Starmer has refused to release them.

It's not about echo chambers, and believing they are listening to twitter, which just doesn't add up to anything for one simple reason, twitter is probably more openly left wing (when it comes to labour representation), but absolutely nothing about Starmers leadership has been lw. The left has been purged completely from labour, which is a weird way to surrender your party to the loudest, "woke" mob.

But Sir Keir Starmer and his people are no less distant from Labour’s former heartland. It was perfectly respectable for them to
oppose Brexit at the referendum, but it was reprehensible to try to stop it afterwards by using lawyers’ tricks against the
largest vote for anything in British history. A constituency which voted nearly 70 per cent for Brexit has taken its by-election
chance to say to Labour and its ultra-Remainer candidate: “How many times do we have to tell you?” A similar percentage re-
elected the Conservative Ben Houchen as Mayor of the wider Teesside.

In the current, divisive culture wars, Mr Corbyn and Sir Keir are on the same, wrong side. At the height of last year’s Black
Lives Matter madness, Sir Keir and his deputy Angela Rayner were photographed “taking the knee”. They live in a world in
which “human rights” have become synonymous with well-paid litigation on behalf of extremists – making life tough, for
example, for British ex-servicemen in Northern Ireland and easier for former members of the IRA. They do not seem much
interested in the rights of people in places like Hartlepool. Voters notice.

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as per Charles nails it

Imagine thinking that supporting equality puts anyone on the wrong side, although I get why some would feel like that. It's truly bizarro world at the moment. I imagine these times are like thatchers time, a pm and party openly hostile to the working classes and immigrants, being voted in by the same folks that have watched their communities destroyed.

I was making a bit of food earlier with the radio on, and a caller from Hartlepool phoned in to praise the tories for giving them 9 foodbanks, not criticising them for the austerity that made them a necessity. We have a one party state with the media echoing the government exactly in an increasingly authoritarian society with a government removing checks and accountability from themselves by the day.

The areas in which labour did well - such as preston, salford, and wales all had an identity and a vision to offer. Everywhere else they were nondescript tory-lites.

I've never liked starmer, but you liked him when he was blindly following the tories, but when he wasn't 100% supportive of their corruption and murder, you stopped liking him? :laugh:

i would be very surprised if starmer is still leader at the next election. The problem is not really starmer, the problem is the labour party and there is no easy fix there

Initially everyone in Britain were supporting the government..


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All those problems you mentioned go back way further than ten years ...


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the problem is the labour party stopped being the labour party in the eighties and now has no idea what it is now. It died first in Scotland and now in England

If only there was data. Look at foodbank usage prior to 2010 tory austerity vs now.

What’s the data for the five years before that ??


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The UK had 40k foodbanks before Cameron's election victory. We now have over 1.5 million. More foodbanks than McDonalds franchises.

Sounds horrendous though stats can be interpreted in different ways ..




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1.5 million? That sounds like way too many. That's an insane number!