Wokeness
 

As this is obviously the biggest insult on this island at the moment, I'd like for some of the folks who believe it's a negative, to explain exactly what it means, to help the rest of us, and me in particular, understand exactly why it's a problem.

Anyone is welcome to contribute, but I only want to read your personal opinions, not daily mail comments or telegraph articles.

I do not like the word.

Ban it.

why Arista. Its just a word for social or racial injustice awareness.

But I've seen you use it regularly. What are woke people standing for/against that is so offensive to you? It's primarily a rw word, as no one calls themselves woke, it's only ever used as an insult these days.

Sure
I just do not like it
Imported from USA

If only that was all it was used for

So what does it mean?

What are woke people standing for/against?

2. adjective
Someone who is woke is very aware of social and political unfairness.

That's surely a positive thing though. Not at all negative.

But the Word
Woke
is used for to many things

who says its the biggest insult?

the dictionary definition is:

a state of being aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality:

His latest record displays his wokeness.

More examples
Wokeness encompasses the need to search for more knowledge, understanding and truth in order to challenge injustice.
The actor and the politician met in a display of mutual wokeness.
Wokeness has to be about more than just saying the right thing.

Excellent thread and the bit in bold should become a forum rule IMO. I post articles so cant really talk but some forum members pretty much 95% of their contribution to S&D is articles they dont respond to.

I use it as a kind of ironic insult. I remember there was a thread on Women football that was overwhelmingly negative. I posted I quite like Women's football cuz I'm 'dead woke'.

Its become the new 'snowflake'. A kind of catch all insult to describe people who simply believe there are inequalities in our society. Its a lazy word to use IMO

Re: the bit in bold, so you think that the problem with "the woke" is that equality is just about words, and people aren't activist enough? Which is in direct contradiction to the bloke you quoted from the telegraph that said taking the knee was the problem, or the threads on the climate activists I've seen, where posters openly tell them to stop it.

This thread is so woke!

I'm fooking off.

Good luck to you all

Cheerio!

Unfortunately tik tok ego-maniacs are lumped in to this 'woke movement' and even though at it's core 'wokeness' isn't a bad thing, too many shouty over privileged social media obsessed people bring down what being woke really stands for.

The general working class public don't want, or need an overly entitled 18 year old shouting at them because they might on first impressions get their pronouns wrong. Or a 16 year old girl claiming to be 'woke' whilst lecturing people on how eating meat/having a family BBQ is 'racist'. And before anyone says anything, age does play a big part. A working class 40 year old who has worked their fingers to the bone just to put food on the table, has tried to do the right thing and been accepting of everything and everyone doesn't need, and shouldn't be talked down to by a 19 year old student (hate to bring race into this but i have to) usually a white middle class entitled girl telling them how to live their lives, and what terrible people they are.

It's easy to muddle what woke actually means when you have so many people bringing down it's true meaning with nonsensical waffle on social media. With the majority of these people saying what they think is popular and what will get them more attention and likes.

Holding an opinion that's popular within certain groups but is NOT evidence-based, or backed by a solid philosophy or explanation, without giving it much (if any) thought, because it's been declared to be "the right way to think".

Now... many of the ideologies that would fall under "woke" are absolutely solid and valid, others don't stand up to scrutiny when it comes right down to it, HOWEVER that's not the part that's relevant;

If someone holds an opinion because it sounds virtuous, and largely because other members of "their group" think it's correct, but (and this is the important part) cannot actually justify or explain their individual thinking or philosophies when pressed ont he subject then that is what I would call "wokeness". Also the idea that deviation from, or even vague questioning of, the status-quo opinion is "wrong" or "immoral". That doesn't mean the opinion is NOT virtuous or doesn't have merit. It's about how that person came to that conclusion.

Similar examples of group-think/tribalism exist all across the political spectrum but I'd say what makes it specifically "wokeness" is that moral absolutism when it comes to social justice issues.

It's such a weird insult. 'Haha! You have empathy for others and you don't like treating people as lessers because of who they are! What a ****ing loser!'

It's just bigots trying to demonise common decency really.

I blame all the Gammons for using this term Woke as a lazy collective diss

…yeah, this for me is similar to my own thoughts…it’s a word/label that is used to ‘close down’ a belief in inequalities within society and any highlighting of those equalities isn’t a ‘woke’ thing anyway…those inequalities have always been there and there has always been awareness of them…’woke’ surely is to have become awoken to…to suddenly realise…?…and that wouldn’t and doesn’t apply at all…but the ‘woke’ bit of it for me is the aim to weaponise a word and create a label to turn some social beliefs into a negative…which basically says no, we’re all fine as we are/society is all fine and wonderful and dandy just as it is and no changes/progression etc is needed or wanted because we like our society and world just as it is…and for those who cry out any equality…?…well
then they’re attacking the very core of you and you must rise up against that ‘wokeness’…in fact actually a bit of regression might be quite nice and back to those good old days when we didn’t have to be so mindful of equalities that not everyone has…


….and lazy…?…yeah, ironically …there definitely seems to be quite a career and income made by some in the labelling of and weaponising of ‘woke’…as a social media type label…

…to me that ‘muddling’ …or weaponising ‘woke’ in terms of its actual meaning…?…would be for attention and likes etc, as you say, yes…but for some it would be a clear and specific purpose of self agenda and self promotion and self income …people like Piers Morgan, Katie Hopkins, Laurence Fox …..who most definitely manipulate it as ‘threat’ thing to society…rather than a support of any society inequality…

but equally, you have picked 3 of the most ridiculous examples :laugh:

Like all these movements that gain a bit of traction, people add more and more ridiculous things to the "woke" agenda daily which is what leaves it open to ridicule and scorn. There hasn't been a movement in recent years that hasn't suffered exactly the same

Do you have some examples of the woke agenda? And what is your definition of woke?

honestly don't take much notice of it, i've just seen people getting irate and quoting "woke" :laugh:

…I’ve picked the examples that scream ‘woke’ because I don’t hear it with people I know who don’t manipulate words and label people to weoponise and turn into a negative because they’re not so keen on their beliefs…how can it be said for instance that equality is wrong…?…so attack the person or people with a belief to attempt to devalue any words they have…