Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11152533)

While people do seem to be following her example in trying to "cancel" things or people they disagree with, they're rarely successful tbh.

Like, the hatemob is always coming for JK Rowling whenever she points out that men (including transwomen) and women aren't exactly the same, but Wozarding World films and games are still coming out, the tourist traps are popular as ever... Dave Chapelle and Ricky Gervais just either ignore or mock people who come for them ...

offhand I can't even think of anyone who's been actively "canceled" by the online hatemobs, but it might feel like it happens if you read too much twitter or trash articles.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11152537)

There is a reason you're all being fed this complete fcuking nonsense whilst the government is destroying your living conditions, your freedoms, and your actual rights, not the inconsequential pretend ones that decree no one in power should ever be challenged about anything.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11152535)

Kathleen Stock, Maya Forstater, Erika Christakis, Dr. Nicholas Christakis, Bret Weinstein (no relation to Harvey :p )

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11152540)

How can you see this, but NOT see that the most affected by exactly what you're talking about are those who are armpit-deep in naval gazing identity politics and hyperindividualism? Like yes... I agree with you... I agree that it's deliberate... But you seem a little shy about telling off those whose attention has been the most successfully diverted inwards. I feel like you've been open enough about the reason for that to be fair (a hesitancy to risk being inadvertently "associated with the wrong side/actual bigots") but I also feel like it significantly erodes the point you're trying to make.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11152576)

i think there has been an insidious change in society that has happened gradually over time. To the point where the only way you can identify it is by looking to the past and comparing to now. To many times I hear the statement, you would never get away with that today. If that's not censorship, i don't know what is

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11152576)

i think there has been an insidious change in society that has happened gradually over time. To the point where the only way you can identify it is by looking to the past and comparing to now. To many times I hear the statement, you would never get away with that today. If that's not censorship, i don't know what is

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11152583)

I'm not sure that is an even remotely accurate description of censorship. Otherwise folks that say things such as "back in my day we didn't..." could also be classed as censoring. the statement "you'd never get away with owning slaves today" is not censorship of slavery.

It's also based on the false premise that everything that happened in the past was better. People still have exactly the same rights to be bigots, nice people, or anything in between, the only difference is that people might have to justify it these days.

Most of the people that have been called cancelled have bigger platforms than ever, either in newspapers, tv, or with regular appearances on rogans podcasts.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11152585)

The examples I gave of people who had been cancelled may have platforms now but being on platforms wasn't their job, most of them were College professors

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11152586)

Well Weinstein, for example, has also been a staple on the alt-right media circuit for years. He resigned from his job as a professor.

I don't know all of the names on your list but I know some resigned and one actually won a tribunal for being fired, which shows that cancellation isn't as final as suggested. People are fired incorrectly and win tribunals everyday

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11152587)

He resigned from his job as professor because he had to resign for his own safety and because his "cancellation" was preventing him from being able to do his job. What do you think about that whole Evergreen story? Also, what do you mean he's a staple on the alt right media circuit? Do you mean he is alt right or alt right people use his story to push their agenda?

Regarding Maya Forstater, yes she won her tribunal that doesn't cancel her cancellation, you asked for examples and I gave them to you :shrug:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11152590)

i cant believe that slim is arguing against the fact that we are being censored more these days when laws have been passed that we can now only protest quietly and thats but 1 small example

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11152589)

He's telling you he resigned for his own safety. Either he was cancelled or he wasn't. You can't self cancel yourself then cry that you've been cancelled. He had his job until he decided he didn't - he wasn't cancelled. No I meant that he's very popular on alt-right media, making many regular appearances. He's like a Dave Rubin with brains - he calls himself progressive or liberal, but isn't. He uses the self labelling to attack the positions he says he holds. It's a great little earner for the previous members of the self titled IDW group.

I don't know whether or not he is alt-right, I know he isn't progressive but pretends he is. He was a trump supporter.


Resigning isn't being cancelled. If you worked in a shop and all of your co-workers said you should resign, but the management didn't, have you been cancelled?

If you've been fired, then won at tribunal then maybe cancel culture isn't really the all consuming power it's being made out to be. As stated previously, people in all walks of life, lose their jobs for reasons not deemed legal. This shows that the system works (to a degree), way more than it proves anything about so-called cancellation.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11152595)

I've read a fair bit about the Evergreen thing, watched video footage etc, it's not just his words that I'm believing. He was seriously harassed there and the College really let him down imo. I disagree with you that making someones life so uncomfortable that they resign isn't a form of cancellation

Being able to bounce back or get some form of life back afterwards doesn't mean that cancel culture isn't a thing. I've personally never stated that it's all consuming or can never be rectified

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11152598)

It's pretty difficult to discuss cancelled folks who haven't been cancelled, but it's ok to disagree. We've both put our views forward and now there is nowhere else to go.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11152599)

:laugh: Fair enough