The thing is Kaz
Certain people seem to get a pass when they have affairs, I remember the hate Nick Knowles got when he was in the jungle .. about his marriage breakdown. I personally didn't have a clue about his affair. But I liked Nick in the jungle and thought he seemed like a decent guy.

So while I'll agree that non of us know the ins and Outs of someone's personal home life , seems people are more willing to forgive Hancock for 'falling in love' , pandemic aside.

There’s plenty to dislike him for. People are incredibly fickle :joker:

Wouldn't it make more sense to assume it was the carers of the elderly transferring covid onto them, rather than other elderly people that's come back from hospital?

No.
The Care Homes could not refuse to take them back
Plus they weren't told the elderly returning to the homes has not been tested for covid on discharge from the hospitals

Furthermore despite Hancock's constant assurances that PPE equipment would be with Hospitals and care homes in days.
There was NONE.
Plus none got for a period further of weeks.

Then when he did get some, most of it was unusable.

The Care homes were looking after very well their residents.
Visits were stopped.
Stringent rules in place.

Then the government via Johnson and Hancock enacted the policy to free up beds in hospitals that the elderly be rushed out and back to Care homes.
Without even being tested for covid.

That policy I repeat again, was judged to have been unlawful in Court.
Not the Care Homes, the Government policy.

Now it will be for the full public independent inquiry to dig deeper and gather ALL the evidence from the avoidable deaths in Care homes groups.
I don't think myself I'd like to be Johnson or Hancock when they see that evidence and make their conclusions.

Then we'll see what those 2 creeps really were like.
Although I doubt to some no matter what they did.
They'd still defend them over the families of lost loved ones whose loved ones SHOULD have been 100% safe in Care Homes.
As Hancock insisted they were but he was blatantly lying and being only deceitful.

The Court has ruled that policy unlawful.
Trying to shift the blame on care Home staff of whom some also contracted covid from the elderly being rushed out and back to them.
Is a pretty low move.

They HAD to take their residents back.
They couldn't leave them on the streets???

The Court has ruled that policy unlawful.
Trying to shift the blame on care Home staff of whom some also contracted covid from the elderly being rushed out and back to them.
Is a pretty low move.

Sorry Joey, but it's not a low move, nor is it trying to shift the blame onto....

To think that carers wouldn't transmit covid to their patients during the early months of covid would be insane. Although I do believe their will have been instances of elderly patients contracting covid in hospital that week as they were rushed back to the care homes, the patient would have been instantly put into a bed from a stretcher or wheelchair, depending on how sick they were with what originally took them to hospital.

So if you combine that original illness, with the covid they had contracted in hospital then 9 times out of ten you are going to have one seriously I'll elderly patient who isnt going to be up and about.

Only person who could catch covid from that patient is the carer..wouldnt you say?

So my reasoning is, the carer is the spreader, but not all carers will have come into contact with a patient rushed back from the hospitals, but these care homes still had to suffer the same tragedies as your aunts one...so where did that covid come from?

I and my family got my Aunt's medical records rapidly after her death.
She was in a really good Care home and only temporarily while her home was being fitted with everything to help with her mobility.

I know what's on her medical records and not just related to health.

That evidence I and my family got.
We have it all set to go to this independent public inquiry.

Along with the other groups of bereaved families who lost their members unnecessarily.

What your detailing is a sidestepping I'm sorry to say.
It's as frustrating to me and all the bereaved family groups that there's the need to have to wait to get our say at the public inquiry.
Because we've seen and read the damning evidence.
Which we will do nothing to jeopardise before it's given before the public inquiry.

Try to blame the Care Homes if you must.
Put us down as others have as to just vindictive, unforgiving families just blaming the government.
We have the evidence.
I was worried when one group took things to the Court.
I feared that could jeopardise all the groupings cases.

However even on the limited presentation to the Court
The Court judged the government policy unlawful.
NOT anything the Care Homes did, the policy the government enacted.

Anyhow it's clear mountains would be moved to laud Hancock on a TV show and then Johnson too.
With NO understanding of the losses of loved ones unnecessarily .

Anyhow this is way too personal an issue to me but it astounds me people will laud this deceitful creep Hancock.
Who deceived and lied at near every press conference he was at.

So I best halt my rants now before I say things I'd be wiser not to.

I wish you well Joey, and hope you get the ending you are looking for.

Thank you parmnion.
That's very kind of you, thank you.