What is Zionism, and who are Zionist-Jews?
 

Zionism

Zionism is a Politican and Social MOVEMENT invented by Theodor Herzl, for Jewish people to join in and help acquire a country called Israel for them and all the Jews in the world. Obviously there would be some Jews who would be happy to have a country for them selves. In the political arena people refer to them as Zionist Jews, they dont mind that becuase that what they believe in.

This new country, Israel would be located on Palestine.

Now you might think what about the Palestinians and all there lives they had. Well... for the past 60 odd years, they've been dieing.. some fleeing there country and to this very day, Palestine is being occupied stolen from all there economic wealth. Guess what Israel doesnt allow Palestine refugees to come back to there own country just incase the population builds up.

Now when a person critisize a Jew, he or she critises for the purpose of this Social MOVEMENT that they follow.

Now not all Jews follow Zionism, for example these Orthodox Jews believe what is written on there scriptures. Which is that God told Jews to live side by side other people and that it is forbidden to have a Jewish homeland, becuase God apposes war.

The whole Conspiracy malarchy

The reason why people think that Jews run the world is becuase the question of HOW THEY GOT ISRAEL IN THE FIRST PLACE is what makes conspiracy theorists ticking.

What the evidence for the theorists are: -

- Lord Levy (Middle East Envoy for Tony Blair) has been on the news recently, that hes been paying Tony Blair for favours. Lord Levy which says on his biography here is Jewish. Now he was in charge of the Middle East for the UK.

- This point needs no arguing, Its a well known fact, well even Jews (Steven Spielsperg) in hollywood them selves have stated that its run mostly by Jewish people.

- BBC which has been under violations for being biased towards Israel was run by Michael Grade of which he now runs ITV.

- Its a well known fact that most companies in the western world are run by Jews, you wikipedia it, or google it and so on.

- We all know that the Media is the most powerfull tool, I mean the Sun Newspaper can put out a year long campain on the Queen, to lose her if they wanted to.

Anti-Semetism
Most of you dont even know what SEMETISM or SEMETIC is. Semetic people are PEOPLE who spoke semetic languages for example the following if you like are semetic people : -

• Arabs
• Jews

JESUS CHRIST was SEMETIC because he SPOKE ARAMIAC, a MOTHER LANGUAGE of ARABIC. What the media (factually) mostly owned by Zionist-Jewish people, like to use the word Anti-Semetic becuase MOST PEOPLE REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS. Just to hush us up of [b]CRITIZING THERE WAR ANNOLATION OF PALESTINE

My conclusion

Now the point I might add is JEWS come in different colours sizes and shapes. So how on earth can one be racist.

However you can say one critizes ZIONISM, WHICH INVOLVED WHIPING OUT PALESTINE FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH, WHICH THE MAJORITY OF JEWS BELIEVE IN, IN OTHER WORDS ZIONIST JEWS, who out number JEWS WHO DONT BELIEVE IN ZIONISM

Okay whatever. Provide me with evidence that the majority of Jews are Zionists, otherwise I'm just ignoring your whole point as it's null and void.

the Majority of JEWS in this WORLD are now in ISRAEL!

Therefore are Pro Zionism, becuase Zionism means the creatin of Israel, right? ....

a side note: its nothing to do with hate its POLITICS, i mean the ENGLISH dislike the FRENCH but no one goes on like the FRENCH are a different race.

There you go again "The English dislike the French" Ok..... you've just grouped the whole of England and the whole of France together and put them on opposing sides. I know many English people who j'adore le francais.

are you seriously joking...

obviously not everysingle person dislikes the French.

You are probably jewish and cant agree with the critisism over Zionism.

I think arguments is a bit pathetic now.

Which is my point! You keep grouping everyone and putting them under the same category. You said the exact words "The English dislike the French". Firstly don't make assumptions of my preferences ... personally I think it's a beautiful language, a beautiful country, culture and an excellent way of living with the occupants. Secondly, where is the EVIDENCE that most Jews are zionists? Repeating the definition of zionism (which har-de-har, I surprisingly know already) isn't answering it at all. Majority of Israeli population is Jewish, now prove to me that the majority of Israeli's want violent against palestine. Finally, prove to me the majority of Palestine don't want violence against Israel.

Edit: It's not to you whether I am Jewish or not.

First im gonna disregard the whole grouping crap, your accusing me off. becuase when I or other people say the Brazilians are good footballers, obviously not all of them are...

The only way a Zionist person can get the rest of Israel for there Zionist requirements, is to remove the palestinians, right? Well guess what, there not gonna walk of there own land are they

i dont get whether your pulling my leg or not?

And the only way Palestinians can "keep"(ha) their land is to remove the Israelis, also correct. Now how are either better than t'other?

Edit: I'm not pulling your leg, I'm also not Jewish nor Israeli, and I'm off to bed now. :xyxwave: Good debating xxx

lol, becuase it was the Palestinians own land in the first place. hence the word ZIONISM, which means CREATING ISRAEL. Which iv said for the past 3 hours.


Thanks for giving a cause to serious thinking

Amazingly subjective statement :whistle:

Anyway, I'm actually off this time. Byee

what are you getting at now, that the indians should get America Back

LOL ok, this is genuinely my last post. :hugesmile:

I simply meant that an Israeli won't see it as Palestinians rightfully owned land, and Palestinians will see it as their land originally (obviously a lot more complex than this, but the top and bottom of it boils down to this). It's subjective and biased to say the Palestinians rightfully owned the land beforehand.

what? no it isnt, The palistinians have had it for that past 2000 years. Now Israel comes along saying its theres. HOW!


Can you imagine the Red Indians coming back and saying America is now theres!

Can you imagine the Celtics coming back and saying Britains is now theres!

Thanks to some clever spotting I realise you are trying to twist what Iv been saying, for example : -

Quote:
Originally posted by rex3
For example my view is that Israel was created because the British government was pressured into making one, becuase of the Jewish Business men were going to boycott the UK.


Quote:
Originally posted by Lauren
All Jewish businesmen are going to boycott the UK? See, thats the problem I find in your posts. You paint a negative picture of all Jews and don't accept that these are the minority, not the majority.




See how she trys to misquote what I say, SHE ADDS "ALL" jewish business men, when in fact i acually never. THERE MUST BE ONLY ONE EXPLANATION FOR YOUR MISCHIFIST DEFENCE FOR ISRAEL

The israelites were there BC.

the celtics where in britain before the romans, can you imagine a new war and the amount of deaths that would happen if the celtics came back

the indians where in america before the europeans, can you imagine a new war and the amount of deaths that would happen if the indians came back

Maybe.So whats your point about The palistinians being there for the last 2000 years?As Lauren said It's subjective and biased to say the Palestinians rightfully owned the land beforehand.And as i said The israelites were there BC.

the celtics where in britain before the romans, can you imagine a new war and the amount of deaths that would happen if the celtics came back

the indians where in america before the europeans, can you imagine a new war and the amount of deaths that would happen if the indians came back

would you want the red indians back for war or the romans??


Funny how Lauren logged off and Spitfire logged on

But that is not going to happen.Your supposed to be trying to persuade me that israel is wrong.


I dont think Lauren will be happy your suggesting shes me!!!!:laugh3::joker:

I thank you Rex for your big explanation of what has happened in regards to the Jews and the Zionism which exists. Also Semetism, anti or otherwise.

It is not something I particularly follow or understand too well and to be quite honest, I am surprised how well Lauren seems to be able to debate back in such a great way, which I certainly couldn't do too well on this subject.

All I can say, is, that I am fully aware of how powerful Jewish people are and if you hear a Jewish joke, it is usually about how mean they are about money, or (the size of their Noses, which is strange:puzzled:)

If everything you say is true and the big money people who own these big companies are Jewish and the Palestinian Refugees are in trouble and fighting for their existance or whatever, then there is very little that can be done.

It's like an "Ant" trying to win against an "Anteater"

I am only putting things in perspective.

Once again, we are talking about a Religion once again and I have just started a thread all about the problems which go with religion.

Many Jewish people will certainly have Power & Control on their minds and you can call them what you like and label them as being ****

But to change their ways, is like moving an immovable rock.

Do you have a mass-solution Rex?







nodisharmony :angel:

You can't even get one simple fact right

there are more jews in the united states than there are in the state of israel.

the rest of your "argument" follows suit

You probably think "The Turner Diaries" is an instruction manual

This is becoming very personal! first Rex makings sweeping statements like "most of you dont even know what Semetic/semetism is" which IMO shows little regard for other members or their opinions. Then it goes even further down hill.

If this thread does not stay a discussion about Zionism and not each other then I shall happily lock it

Hahahah.... if anyone was to be me, it would be you, spitfire.
Anyway, keeping to the subject.

One shouldn't make statements about Zionism and Zionists Jews and then assume that MOST Jews follow this. It's basically saying that the majority of Jews have a primary interest in violence and war. Also, it's incorrect to state subjective points and claim them to be facts - especially when discussing something as sensitive that involves a social group.

OK then, the mojarity of Jews dont support Zionism... So what, the few that are following Zionism, does that mean we cant critisize there actions in the UK, US and Israel becuase its a too sensative subject. And people like Lauren would assume straigt away that your anti-semetic.

The few that do support it have more power than any other ethnic group. (btw NOT THE JEWS THAT DONT SUPPORT ZIONISM) That has been scientifically proven.

Too the mods out there, keep an eye on who actually is trying to dillute the topic of this thread

Secondly, don't ****ing say "people like Lauren" it doesn't wash well with me. Thirdly, where the hell have I said that anyone is anti-semitic?? Don't make assumptions about me.

Edit: And you've finally agreed that the majority of Jews aren't Zionists. It's taken a while, and this was the point I had the most annoyance at because in essence you were suggesting that the majority of Jews were violent. Also doesn't wash well with me.