Role reversal. Your thoughts?
 

I'm trying to be more clued up on politics and all that goes with it so I've been watching more current affairs shows, mainly on Talk TV.

It seems to me with hindsight that the Tories and Labour's traditional values and beliefs have swapped. A kind of role reversal. Labour are now very cruel and hardliners, or should I say their leader is? Tories, despite their downfall seem to have more heart.

Thoughts. I don't mind if you think I'm wrong?

They haven't swapped, but labour has moved way over to the right.

Nah, I don't agree at all with that, sorry.
Even less so from anything that comes out of TALKTV.
I came to detest just about all that was broadcast on that channel.

I'm very surprised you watch it

Role reversal indeed

Talk TV talk a lot of sense in my humble opinion

One could say that the Tories are (currently) more appealing to the working classes.

Yep

I wouldn't go that far ,but right now .... Labour isn't doing themselves any favours. And as I keep saying, Starmer is actually worse as a PM than Sunak.

Sunak was a decent Chancellor during covid, and when you review his term as PM he gave support to everyone during the first energy crisis, then 900 extra a year to UC claimants ....Labour so far has taken away winter fuel, given the train drivers and doctors a large pay rise, dont seem too keen to give the nurses an inflation busting rise... lets see what the budget brings

Labour and Tories are finished as parties

There is no going back now

I think that they're both very similar tbh.

I'm hoping to be proven wrong on Starmer as it's still early days tbf to him, but I'm not keen on what I have seen of his leadership so far.

Tbf to Sunak, he inherited a shitshow from all of the Tory leaders prior.

I do agree with you that he didn't do too badly in hindsight, especially compared to clowns like Cameron and May.:umm2:

I do think that Sunak was poor at endearing himself to the public though.

parties have to adjust to the times we live in. The rise in populism across the world threatens all the old world norms that go against traditional party lines. Parties no longer represent their old traditional politics they have had to re-align or die. In 5 years, i have no idea what politics will be like, but i do know one, it will be the common folk that suffer as they always have

Agree :clap1:

I don't watch it .

I did when it began but agreed with next to nothing on it or how things were expressed.
Although you mentioned a segment which I did watch a few times to give that a try.

However no, I'd have nothing at all to do with it now.
Awful, in my view.

Labour seem to hate the white working class despite supposedly being the party of the working man. I've never voted Labour but I could respect them. I can't respect them now. They actually disgust me. I think the feathering of their own nests with freebies was the final nail in the coffin for me, especially coming hot on the heels of taking the elderly's winter fuel allowance. The Tories aren't the same party anymore either. At one time I could have believed they'd get a grip on migration but they just didn't. Instead they were letting in almost a million people every year putting a strain on our infrastructure and services and forcing multiculturalism on working class areas. Neither are the party they used to be imo.

Brilliant post Liv.

Absolutely not, one unpopular policy doesn’t suddenly make the Tories caring or a party of decent people, because they’re not

Absolutely yes!

Expand on your reasons?

They are far more decent than Starmer and his cronies. See Livia's post. She said it all perfectly.

It's always easier to be compassionate when you're in opposition. Governing weighs heavily on anyone

I think we partly just got used to the Tories being the nasty party and Labour the nice ones because we had the Conservatives in power for so long. Ultimately all governments only have a limited ability to really improve everyone's lives so their popularity will always be limited. If you're lucky as a government you get a few years of relative prosperity but we haven't had that in a long time

:joker:

They just ain't.:nono:

Now that's all very fair points, in my view.
I can agree with all that.

Ah I see now, you think they hate white people, it makes more sense now seeing as you’re going down the racism/reform route, even more reason to call your post nonsense then

:conf: no. I think they hate working class people. I'm a bit pissed off with you repeatedly labelling me a racist on here.